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  • Maybe this'll mean the statue comes down!

    From Hurriyet 29.12.2008

    Turkish PM Erdogan slams Israel

    ANKARA - Angered by Israel’s deadly attacks on the Gaza Strip, Turkey engaged in intense diplomatic efforts to stop its regional ally’s aggression that it described as a "crime against humanity."

    "Despite the calls to stop attacks, Israeli officials’ statements that operations will last a long time and are in fact open-ended, constitute a serious crime against humanity," Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said yesterday during a party meeting where thousands of his supporters protested the actions of Israel. Erdoğan’s words reflected the country’s general reaction to Israel’s recent attacks against the Gaza Strip, claiming the lives of more than 200, including women and children.

    Turkey, a Muslim-majority nation and one of Israel's closest allies in the region, has been facilitating indirect talks between Israel and its long-time foe, Syria. Erdoğan said that was why Israel’s recent attacks have created deep frustration and anger here.

    Stating that Turkey had assumed the role of mediator between Israel and Syria, Erdoğan said he also considered these operations as disrespectful to Turkey. "I consider these actions by Israel, while we are making an attempt for peace, as delivering a blow to the peace initiatives," he said.

    "Killing innocent people, defenseless children and women, bombing civilians and using disproportionate force are unacceptable. This operation is a blow to world peace," Erdoğan said.

    Harsh conditions
    Erdoğan criticized Israel for isolating the Gaza Strip, where Palestinians try to survive under harsh conditions, from the rest of the world. "Turkey will continue to help its Palestinian brothers. Our Health Ministry has initiated a project to bring injured Palestinians to Turkey and has been in contact with the World Health Organization," he said.

    Erdoğan canceled a telephone consultation with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on Saturday, who had been in Ankara on Monday. He held a telephone conversation with Ban Ki-moon, the U.N.’s secretary-general and asked the United Nations to step in to stop the Israeli attacks against Palestinians.

    During yesterday’s speech, Erdoğan commented on the potential reaction to the attacks from the Muslim world. "These attacks are creating indignation in Islamic countries. I specifically say Islamic countries because we want countries outside to take the same sensitive approach. As necessary, we are all in contact by telephone whether it be myself, our president or our foreign ministry. Let’s not forget this: Violence will bring about new violence. (..) We call on international community not to remain silent and indifferent to this humanitarian tragedy," he said.

    "I consider these recent events to be irresponsible. The issue is not only one between Israel and Palestine, it could lead to regional instability," President Abdullah Gül said late Saturday, according to the Anatolia news agency. "I warned Israeli Prime Minister when he was here Monday (Dec. 22) to avoid a new wave of violence.

    I condemn the attacks," he said. Meanwhile, Foreign Minister Ali Babacan telephoned Ekmelettin İhsanoğlu, general-secretary of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, or OIC, to initiate an urgent meeting at the ministerial level to discuss the situation in the Middle East, the Anatolia reported. The Anatolia said Babacan’s proposal was welcomed by İhsanoğlu and he would immediately start to work to convene the 56 foreign ministers in the coming weeks.


    "turkey warned that the qoran states clearly that only muslims can kill other muslims"

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    • Originally posted by steph View Post
      "turkey warned that the qoran states clearly that only muslims can kill other muslims"
      What does this mean?

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      • Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
        What does this mean?
        arda, turkey condemns israeli murders/bombings of palestinians whilst currently murdering/bombing kurds.............................

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        • Originally posted by steph View Post
          arda, turkey condemns israeli murders/bombings of palestinians whilst currently murdering/bombing kurds.............................
          Aaa OK, i see your point. The war in Kurdistan is often called "Hidden Palestine of Turkey" or "Hidden Bosnia of Turkey" by Turkish Muslims.

          But in that case, what is the relation with Quran?

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          • This is all very sad. I mean, 287 people?

            Steph, the statue will stay, but don't be too surprised if you see articles like "Knesset may recognize Armenian genocide" pop up soon.

            But Hamas (or its Muslim superiority complex, whichever) has got to go. I fear that the Palestinian Christian community (which includes Arabs, Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks, etc.) will dwindle to nothing.

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            • Palestine: Hamas-Christian Friendship Gives Hope for Believers' Safety in Gaza

              Christian Post - 22 June, 2007

              Gaza Christians and Hanyia

              While looting, sporadic violence, and instability still plague the newly Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip, a Christian persecution group hopes that a long-established friendship between it and Hamas will keep the small Christian community relatively safe from targeted attacks.

              Open Doors, an international ministry working with persecuted Christian, said although it fears a worsening of living conditions for Gaza inhabitants, it does not think Christians will be attacked by the Islamic fundamentalist group.

              “I am afraid it is going to get worst now that the border with Israel will be sealed tight,” Al Janssen, director of communica! tions for Open Doors International, said to The Christian Post on Friday. “If food isn’t getting in and water isn’t getting in then there is going to be a humanitarian crisis.”

              However, Janssen noted that he hopes the conversations between Hamas leaders and Open Doors founder Brother Andrew “will bear some fruit.”

              Brother Andrew had built a relationship spanning over a decade with Hamas leaders. In December 1992, over a thousand Hamas leaders were deported from Israel and left on the side of a mountain in Lebanon. Brother Andrew had flew in and visited the Hamas camp in a humanitarian way and gave Bibles and his book “God’s Smuggler” to them, who in turn invited Brother Andrew into their tent for a meal.

              When the Hamas leaders later were able to return to their countries, Brother Andrew in turn hosted meals for Hamas leaders where he would testify about the Gospel. The two built a friendship where they would mutually challenge each others religious beliefs but would do so with respect. “Hamas are still people who need to hear the Gospel,” Janssen said. “Maybe at night, one of them would think about God and where he will go when he dies. We as Christians should spread the Gospel and not just cut them off.”

              The Islamic militant group Hamas, which is considered a terrorist group by the United States and many Western nations, began to fully rule Gaza on Friday after a bloody power struggle with Fatah forces. Over five days, nearly a hundred people died and dozens other were injured in the impoverished land, according to The Associated Press.

              As a result of the coup, Palestinians are now split geographically and politically into the Fatah-ruled, U.S. and Israel-backed occupied West Bank and the Hamas-ruled, Iran and Syria-backed Gaza Strip.

              The conflict has also resulted in the dissolve of the Fatah-Hamas agreement to mutually rule the country. Western-backed president Mahmud Abbas of the Fatah party has announced the firing of Hamas prime minister Ismail Haniya, who has disregarded the announcement.

              The United States, European Union, United Nations and Russia – the Quartet of Middle East mediators – have all given a “clear message of support” for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, according to Reuters. Washington, Europe and Israel are preparing to provide finances to the more secular Fatah power.

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              • The whole reason this bombardment is going ahead is due to politics.

                The Israeli govt is made of of religious extremists and extreme nationalists, equally this is true for Palestine. Neither side wants peace, and both governments know if there was peace they would lose power.

                So it is in best interest of the Israeli government to make this worse and worse, ethnic cleansing is just one part of this because the more dangerous it gets the more power the Israeli govt gets.

                Both sides will elect more extreme governments until we will reach a point with two Hitlers, then that is already happening as Israelis are starting to (if they don't already) view Arabs as sub-human, on the Arab side they view Israeli's....the shoe at Bush....just like that.

                Anyway if either Israel is ethnic cleansed of Palestinians or a peaceful resolution is reached aka Israeli's and Palestinians unite under one democratic state both Hamas and the current Israeli govt will lose power, so this conflict will go on forever with no victory but a lot of bloodshed on the Palestinian side, and a little blood on the Israeli side to keep the war going.

                ^If this was said in the UN it could be closure to the conflict, doubt that would happen though because Palestinians and Israelis want the war to go their way. But Palestine is dead regardless, either ethnic cleansing of Palestinians or a new unified democratic state will occur.

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                • Originally posted by steph View Post
                  From Hurriyet 29.12.2008




                  "turkey warned that the qoran states clearly that only muslims can kill other muslims"

                  LOL!!!!
                  I can't believe Hurriyet would print that sentence,are you sure?????
                  "All truth passes through three stages:
                  First, it is ridiculed;
                  Second, it is violently opposed; and
                  Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                  Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                  • Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
                    Palestine: Hamas-Christian Friendship Gives Hope for Believers' Safety in Gaza

                    Christian Post - 22 June, 2007

                    Gaza Christians and Hanyia

                    While looting, sporadic violence, and instability still plague the newly Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip, a Christian persecution group hopes that a long-established friendship between it and Hamas will keep the small Christian community relatively safe from targeted attacks.

                    Open Doors, an international ministry working with persecuted Christian, said although it fears a worsening of living conditions for Gaza inhabitants, it does not think Christians will be attacked by the Islamic fundamentalist group.

                    “I am afraid it is going to get worst now that the border with Israel will be sealed tight,” Al Janssen, director of communica! tions for Open Doors International, said to The Christian Post on Friday. “If food isn’t getting in and water isn’t getting in then there is going to be a humanitarian crisis.”

                    However, Janssen noted that he hopes the conversations between Hamas leaders and Open Doors founder Brother Andrew “will bear some fruit.”

                    Brother Andrew had built a relationship spanning over a decade with Hamas leaders. In December 1992, over a thousand Hamas leaders were deported from Israel and left on the side of a mountain in Lebanon. Brother Andrew had flew in and visited the Hamas camp in a humanitarian way and gave Bibles and his book “God’s Smuggler” to them, who in turn invited Brother Andrew into their tent for a meal.

                    When the Hamas leaders later were able to return to their countries, Brother Andrew in turn hosted meals for Hamas leaders where he would testify about the Gospel. The two built a friendship where they would mutually challenge each others religious beliefs but would do so with respect. “Hamas are still people who need to hear the Gospel,” Janssen said. “Maybe at night, one of them would think about God and where he will go when he dies. We as Christians should spread the Gospel and not just cut them off.”

                    The Islamic militant group Hamas, which is considered a terrorist group by the United States and many Western nations, began to fully rule Gaza on Friday after a bloody power struggle with Fatah forces. Over five days, nearly a hundred people died and dozens other were injured in the impoverished land, according to The Associated Press.

                    As a result of the coup, Palestinians are now split geographically and politically into the Fatah-ruled, U.S. and Israel-backed occupied West Bank and the Hamas-ruled, Iran and Syria-backed Gaza Strip.

                    The conflict has also resulted in the dissolve of the Fatah-Hamas agreement to mutually rule the country. Western-backed president Mahmud Abbas of the Fatah party has announced the firing of Hamas prime minister Ismail Haniya, who has disregarded the announcement.

                    The United States, European Union, United Nations and Russia – the Quartet of Middle East mediators – have all given a “clear message of support” for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, according to Reuters. Washington, Europe and Israel are preparing to provide finances to the more secular Fatah power.

                    Khaled Meshaal, the political leader of Hamas, has called for Palestinians to wage a new intifada against Israel, including a return to suicide missions that has stopped since 2005.
                    This came after IDF hammered Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip, killing at least 220 people in one of the bloodiest days. As of now the toll is 350 and rising with 4 Israelis killed.

                    It looks like Israel does not appreciate the latest activities engaged by the Palestinian Rocketeer club.
                    Israel has the right to protect itself against firecracker attacks but it would be wise to stop creating more extremists with their age old “softening Hamas Rocket attack Targets” …”Surgical Assassinations” and offer a deal to Hamas that does not insult their Islamic conscious.
                    Egypt is in a very bad position right now being heavily criticized by Syrians.

                    I think this coupled with the latest problems between India and Pakistan after the Terrorist attacks in Bombay, it will be that test they were talking about which President Elect Obama will be challenged on.


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                    • Originally posted by Gavur View Post
                      LOL!!!!
                      I can't believe Hurriyet would print that sentence,are you sure?????
                      mmmmmmmmmmmmm, probably not

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