Ataturks statue in Israel

[Joseph]

Escape to me Pedro, i will shelter you They will have to spend so much effort

Actually, that is ingenious. He would be hiding where they least suspect, right under their noses and in the mouth of the lion. Ardakilic is onto something here.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Haha

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! You can crash with us for spell. We have a comfy couch. My wife outright refuses to do your laundry and will not introduce you to any of her sisters....she's heard about you.

I hope she has only heard good things, tell her she has no reason to panic and that I am very well housetrained, I have long ago dropped the habit of lifting my leg against furniture. I am an excellent chef as well so you will all will never have a hungry moment. Put in a good word for me with her sister

Ardakilic, will do if they ever catch me I'm very slick you see, I'm the original Houdini man, El mas chingon

[Alexandros]

Atatürk's statue to take place in "Garden of cultures" in Kyrgyzstan


12 December 2008, Friday

THE ANATOLIAN NEWS AGENCY ANKARA

Turkish Culture & Tourism Minister Ertuğrul Günay said on Friday that the statue of Atatürk would be placed in "garden of cultures" in Kyrgyzstan.

Günay told the Anatolian news agency that he saw "garden of cultures" near Issyk Lake -- world's second biggest mountain lake -- during his visit to Kyrgyzstan, adding that the statues of important world leaders took place near that lake.

Günay said that Turkey would finance a Kyrgyz sculptor to make a statue of Atatürk which would be placed under a tree near Issyk Lake.

Günay added that the inauguration of the statue would be made in the middle of 2009.

Link

[Steph]

Atatürk's statue to take place in "Garden of cultures" in Kyrgyzstan


12 December 2008, Friday

THE ANATOLIAN NEWS AGENCY ANKARA

Turkish Culture & Tourism Minister Ertuğrul Günay said on Friday that the statue of Atatürk would be placed in "garden of cultures" in Kyrgyzstan.

Günay told the Anatolian news agency that he saw "garden of cultures" near Issyk Lake -- world's second biggest mountain lake -- during his visit to Kyrgyzstan, adding that the statues of important world leaders took place near that lake.

Günay said that Turkey would finance a Kyrgyz sculptor to make a statue of Atatürk which would be placed under a tree near Issyk Lake.

Günay added that the inauguration of the statue would be made in the middle of 2009.

Link

So Kemal Ataturd is belatedly getting his pan-turkish empire, although Alexandros, I think there's a mis-spelling, shouldn't it be "garden of vultures"

[hipeter924]

So Kemal Ataturd is belatedly getting his pan-turkish empire, although Alexandros, I think there's a mis-spelling, shouldn't it be "garden of vultures"

Atatürk's statue to take place in "Garden of cultures" in Kyrgyzstan


12 December 2008, Friday

THE ANATOLIAN NEWS AGENCY ANKARA

Turkish Culture & Tourism Minister Ertuğrul Günay said on Friday that the statue of Atatürk would be placed in "garden of vultures" in Kyrgyzstan.

Günay told the Anatolian news agency that he saw "garden of vultures" near Issyk Lake -- world's second biggest mountain lake -- during his visit to Kyrgyzstan, adding that the statues of tyrannical world leaders took place near that lake.

Günay said that Turkey would finance a Kyrgyz sculptor to make a statue of Atatürk which would be placed on top of a kurd near Issyk Lake.

Günay added that the inauguration of the statue would be made in the middle of 2009.

^I think that is more to the truth...

[Steph]

Atatürk's statue to take place in "Garden of cultures" in Kyrgyzstan


12 December 2008, Friday

THE ANATOLIAN NEWS AGENCY ANKARA

Turkish Culture & Tourism Minister Ertuğrul Günay said on Friday that the statue of Atatürk would be placed in "garden of vultures" in Kyrgyzstan.

Günay told the Anatolian news agency that he saw "garden of vultures" near Issyk Lake -- world's second biggest mountain lake -- during his visit to Kyrgyzstan, adding that the statues of tyrannical world leaders took place near that lake.

Günay said that Turkey would finance a Kyrgyz sculptor to make a statue of Atatürk which would be placed on top of a kurd near Issyk Lake.

Günay added that the inauguration of the statue would be made in the middle of 2009.

^I think that is more to the truth...

You've got the job at Reuters.

[hipeter924]

You've got the job at Reuters.

No Reuters only lets in conservatives that put everyone to sleep.

[may]

Hi everyone,

I found this forum while I was searching for the latest petition in Turkey and had a chance to see what Armenians think about it. It is nice to see things are working, and Armenian people are willing to reach to the hand that their neighbors extend. People in Turkey are not risking their lives for nothing. More closer to what Hrant was dreaming about... A dialogue instead of a fruitless monologues... We'll get there my brothers, sooner or later... So far, so good...

I also looked for other posts, but it's just been 1 hour, so I could only read few. What I saw was, there is inclination to misunderstand the "other". Actually I may prove a minute later for such a case as well. But still, for two nations not being in dialogue for a long time and having a painful history, I think that is normal, especially on forums where you don't see any gestures but only words that do not necessarily convey the "feeling" in a non-native language.

Just now, I deleted bunch of paragraphs because it was getting out of hand to talk about everything at the same time. So I will stick with one of the things mentioned and bothered me a lot.

One Armenian, I’m not saying this is in a bad way or anything, was equal to many Turks sometimes.

AN IMPORTANT AND SINCERE REMARK: Delete Armenian and Turkish, write two other nations, or swap the nation names, and let one Turkish equal to many Armenians (not in a bad way of course), what I wrote below would not change.

Back to the discussion: This sentence is followed by explanations too. As a matter of fact, Eti questioned this "view" and the similarities of what is said in Mein Kampf by Nazis for Jews too. Eti refrained from saying fascist or nationalist, but I won't do it.

Quoting is tricky, I know, takes a sentence out of context, but the quoted sentence, said in whatever context, could be the first sentence of a fascist manifesto. As I read many times in this forum, facing the truth is important. And we may not need to look far away to find fascism.

Equations do not hold even in physics (they abandoned Newtonian physics in last century and they still cannot explain many things with quantum physics). It is most likely that it won't hold for societies as well. As I said, nation names could change, but does not matter. Actually we do not need nation names, a fascist may argue a vote of a peasant not being equal to a, say, educated landlord. They will not be saying this in bad way or anything. Just because educated one reads newspapers, knows the world, the government and the peasant only knows how to harvest etc. etc. Nonsense can be justified by very logical facts, actually that's what fascist leaders are famous for.

Sorry for my bitter ending to my sweet starting first post. I always believe fascism is very close to us than we think. Hearing "one Turk equals that many of this and half of the other" kind of equations makes me sick, maybe more than equations of one Armenian (not in a bad way of course) to a number of Turks. However, to this equation, only one response came, and in a way softer tone than mine. And it was dismissed by -in my perception- in a rude way accusing the person by reading only Turkish history, and reading not enough, knowing not enough etc. And yet, nobody questioned it...

Just like an Armenian shaking a Turkish to face facts, please take my comments in the same manner. I would really love to continue the tone that I started this post, but I cannot because just like my friend Saco, when it comes to serious issues, being sentimental is not my suit. Fascism is one of the most serious issues I can think of.

Gule gule.

[Steph]

Sorry for my bitter ending to my sweet starting first post. I always believe fascism is very close to us than we think.

Gule gule.

Welcome may,
I liked your opening post and the ending really wasn't too bitter. Stay here and post more.

[Sako]

Welcome May, nice post, a bit confusing here and there but nice overall .

AN IMPORTANT AND SINCERE REMARK: Delete Armenian and Turkish, write two other nations, or swap the nation names, and let one Turkish equal to many Armenians (not in a bad way of course), what I wrote below would not change.

Sorry May, didn't really understand you here. I wasn't degrading the Turks, just stating facts. There were many occasions when a few Armenians with ancient guns, not enough ammunition or food, and basically in terrible conditions, crushed hundreds of Turks with their smart strategies. The Turks were great in quantity, not quality. You know in Armenia in the last war, there was a large missile launcher stuck in the ground on a hill. The Azeri's got there and they could level an entire large Armenian town below, winning the war probably soon after. You know what happened though? Nothing at all, the Azeri's couldn't use it, lol. The Armenians won the war. Armenians are smart May, that's all I was saying. The Turks have tried to degrade the Armenians and still do, acting as if they were and are much more clever. That's why I stated this true and perhaps painful fact. In 1915, they stabbed the Armenians in the back with their large forces and if the Armenians knew the Turks were coming, you would've read a whole different story in the history books today. They had and have no honor which they like to talk about so much. They attack their own people and I have no sympathy, not even a drop of sympathy for those losers. The Turks that have to pay for all that these retards do are the ones I feel sorry for and I respect and support them every day in my mind, in these forums, and in any way I can.

Sorry for my bitter ending to my sweet starting first post. I always believe fascism is very close to us than we think. Hearing "one Turk equals that many of this and half of the other" kind of equations makes me sick, maybe more than equations of one Armenian (not in a bad way of course) to a number of Turks. However, to this equation, only one response came, and in a way softer tone than mine. And it was dismissed by -in my perception- in a rude way accusing the person by reading only Turkish history, and reading not enough, knowing not enough etc. And yet, nobody questioned it...

Sorry May, didn't understand you here either. Did I say something wrong?

Just like an Armenian shaking a Turkish to face facts, please take my comments in the same manner. I would really love to continue the tone that I started this post, but I cannot because just like my friend Saco, when it comes to serious issues, being sentimental is not my suit. Fascism is one of the most serious issues I can think of.

Great point and I'm glad we think the same way . Welcome to the forums again.