What should Turkey be proud of?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: What should Turkey be proud of?

...Then this thread and our site is not for you. This is one of the reasons you should be banned right here, right now. My friend, you talk like a true racist, I don't care what color you are.

I ask the admins right now. Why is that Turks get banned for not accepting the AG but people who diminish Turkey in many ways, sometimes very, very badly, don't get banned?

I'm sorry Hellektor, but your words will not be tolerated, at least I can't live with them under the same roof.

Well said Saco.

Now I am waiting for Pedro Xaramillo to back you up - or will his protests continue to be confined to sending secret little PMs.

[psikokemal]

Re: What should Turkey be proud of?

Yes ı m proud , look tis site http://www.hranticinadaleticin.com/

there are hrant dink ! and do not forget , we are hrant dink !
and we waiting on agos ( hrants newsspaper) and we are waiting for JUSTİCE!!!

[Sako]

Re: What should Turkey be proud of?

Haha, you are a very strange cat Bell! I support Turkey for a moment there and you feel like your up in the clouds but when anyone talks badly about Armenia, you're in the corner drinking milk. When it's in your favor, I'm not a racist, when it's not, I'm a demon spawn from hell, lol. Don't worry, Pedro will be here. He isn't the racist you like to portray him as. And remember, you will answer for every wrong phrase you said, every wrong phrase .

[Sako]

Re: What should Turkey be proud of?

Nice meeting you again psikokemal. .

[Eti]

Re: What should Turkey be proud of?

The most important contribution of Turkey to the world is: “it is a bridge between the west and middle east” at the same time, between Islam and Christianity. And it is a single model for a secular state in islamic world, at least for now. This role of Turkey can be appreciated or never be appreciated by one of the sides or both sides. Or this can be appreciated negatively for some reason. Being a secular state in islamic world is a very good speciality for Turkey. US really apprreciates this very well and wants to apply on Islamic Arab countries, but I don't think it will be possible for a long time.

And I am sorry that creature (Hellektor) is still here after many years. What a waste!

[Sako]

Re: What should Turkey be proud of?

The most important contribution of Turkey to the world is: “it is a bridge between the west and middle east” at the same time, between Islam and Christianity. And it is a single model for a secular state in islamic world, at least for now. This role of Turkey can be appreciated or never be appreciated by one of the sides or both sides. Or this can be appreciated negatively for some reason. Being a secular state in islamic world is a very good speciality for Turkey. US really apprreciates this very well and wants to apply on Islamic Arab countries, but I don't think it will be possible for a long time.

Interesting reply Eti. Unfortunately I don't know much about Turkey as a secular state or even as a country from a political angle. I'm still getting used to that. Thanks for your views though, feels good getting a normal reply !

And I am sorry that creature (Hellektor) is still here after many years. What a waste!

*Sigh* don't know what to say Eti. Sad to know there are people like Hellektor out there and it's sadder that he's Armenian. He doesn't realise how much he is degrading his own country by spitting out all he just said. On behalf of him, I apologize everyone, truly, sincerely, and even shamefully for what he said. He probably never will. Please don't judge Armenia by basing your opinions on people like him .

[Anonymouse]

Re: What should Turkey be proud of?

Hellektor, your post was deleted because it was nothing but an insult-filled hateful banter full of nonsense and appeals to emotion. Either contribute to the thread, follow the rules, and stop spewing insulting nonsense, or find another forum. One more equals a ban.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: What should Turkey be proud of?

The most important contribution of Turkey to the world is: “it is a bridge between the west and middle east” at the same time, between Islam and Christianity. And it is a single model for a secular state in islamic world, at least for now. This role of Turkey can be appreciated or never be appreciated by one of the sides or both sides. Or this can be appreciated negatively for some reason. Being a secular state in islamic world is a very good speciality for Turkey. US really apprreciates this very well and wants to apply on Islamic Arab countries, but I don't think it will be possible for a long time.

And I am sorry that creature (Hellektor) is still here after many years. What a waste!

A secular state is one where there is a clear separation of organised religion from the state aparatus. Turkey isn't a secular state by that definition. Kemalist Turkey nationalised Islam, and its imams are all public employees, trained in state-run religious schools, and everything is paid for by Turkish taxpayers regardless of their religious beliefs. Syria is actually more like a secular state than Turkey. Turkey isn't alone in that though - even in Europe for example. In Norway the state pays for the wages of the clergy of the Church of Norway and it enjoys a very close relationship with the government of Norway (BTW, Norway and especially the Church of Norway is also very pro-Azerbaijan, including financing the "Azerification" of Armenian sites in Azerbaijan and supporting racist organisations in Azerbaijan).

[Sako]

Re: What should Turkey be proud of?

Thank you Anonymouse. And good job Bell, you finally took the time to say something without hissing and pissing everyone else off . Let's give him a round of applause everyone...

[Eti]

Re: What should Turkey be proud of?

A secular state is one where there is a clear separation of organised religion from the state aparatus. Turkey isn't a secular state by that definition. Kemalist Turkey nationalised Islam, and its imams are all public employees, trained in state-run religious schools, and everything is paid for by Turkish taxpayers regardless of their religious beliefs. Syria is actually more like a secular state than Turkey. Turkey isn't alone in that though - even in Europe for example. In Norway the state pays for the wages of the clergy of the Church of Norway and it enjoys a very close relationship with the government of Norway (BTW, Norway and especially the Church of Norway is also very pro-Azerbaijan, including financing the "Azerification" of Armenian sites in Azerbaijan and supporting racist organisations in Azerbaijan).

Since 1923, Turkey Republic completely rejected Islam at least in the institutional domains and state owned companies. Turkey has no religion in the constitution, that is, no religion has been specified for Turkish citizens. I have no idea about Syria’s constitution, but Turkey did this in 1920s. And Turkey still rejects the relioginal things get involved in the state-owned companies and most institutional domains etc. That means State of Turkey has no religion officially.

I don’t think that Syria has taken more steps than Turkey in those years, because Turkey was getting closer to Europe than middle east since the first time’s of Ottoman Empire and especially in the time of Sultan Selim 3 and Mahmud 2 and then Tanzimat Fermanı (declaration of reforms) in 1839. It is impossible for Syria to go beyond of Turkey about such things. The only thing we can talk about is the effect of Turkey on Syria.

Learning about History of Turkey between 1923-1980 can give a lot of ideas about Turkey’s secular system.

Most of you are usually apt to make light of Turkey and her position in the world but that is not realistic as well as exaggereting her position of course.