Peace at home, peace on earth:Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

[Tufan]

Folks let see how many times we have to say GOOD BYE b4 this gooftanzo comprehends what goodbye means.

This is number 2. Do you know the number 2 gooftanzo?

So it means GOOD BYE plus another GOOD BYE

guaco, lets ignore these people and leave them with their isolated world.
As you know, you can't expect much from a choban,isn't it?

[Culture]

While whoever wants to love Ataturk, may do so...please check out the protest section of the picture gallery in www.ayfwest.org to see what the general Armenian youth think.

[Hayq]

wow I have never been to that site.

HAHA, lame. They really say that they want to unite the country.

UNited Armenia.

[Siggie]

loveataturk read the forum rules if you plan to post here any length of time. Don't insult other members by saying things like there is no abundance of intelligent people in Armenia or you will be permanently banned.

[jgk3]

by the same token, Armenians should not use similar insults for Loveataturk.

[Sip]

Yah the dude's name is insult enough for himself.

[loveataturk]

What is it about Ataturk that concerns Armenian people? I sincerely under Talat Pasa and his DEPORTATION decision against the rebellion militia and their supporting "let's break up the Turkish land and grab ourselves some land" Armenians, in fact I SUPPORT HIS DECISION even today! Talat was a far sighted politician who found a good and far more peaceful solution to the Armenian Rebellion, simply, squash the armed Armenian bandits, and deport Armenian people so that they can no longer pose a threat to the already weakened Ottoman State.

But, what about Ataturk? What has he done on his agenda for or against Armenians??

Are Armenians simply upset that he was simply a brilliant soldier who brought the despicable Christian invaders (French, British, Italian, Greek.....) to their nkness and expelled them forum OUR LAND, anatolia?

[TomServo]

Your land is waiting for you in Turkmenistan.

[jgk3]

My family is Bolsahai (Armenians from Istanbul), and they seem to hold Ataturk in high esteem, as he greatly modernized the Turkish state according to European standards.

Just because someone is speaking "blasphemy", does not mean you have to stoop down to their level. And in my opinion, loveataturk poses no threat to us, even though he does not understand the degree of the bloodshed and the manner in which it was spilled. Explain this to him, rather than telling him to go to Turkmenistan. There is much to be learned from both sides of the issue, loveataturk can explain to you the political aspect (if I were a ruler uner those circumstances, I'd certainly deport populations who were led by warring bandits), while we can explain the ethical aspect of what happened in 1915 (I would not drive them to deserts and get the Kurds to cut their throats, but instead treat them as the English treated the Welsh when they ruled over them in the 14th century. I'd set up hundreds and hundreds of fortresses in their lands to establish order swiftly and decisively should a rebellion arise. When more stability returned to my empire, I'd loosen this policy and allow the minorities to return to the cities again).

This, however, does not pacify our issues, it merely explains both sides of the story. This will not crush the Armenian desire to reclaim their former glory at the expense of the Turks. We were beaten, over and over again, we got a genocide, our country is now isolated, yet as things stand, we will never be able to reclaim anything, and will continue to hold our justifiable anger against our enemies. However, the Armenia of today is in shambles, it is a corrupt and poor nation. Our ancient lands serve nothing more than cultural remedy, at least for the time being.

We can't expect Turkey to just hand over this land back, it would seriously damage their nation and the esteem of their people for their leaders. It would result in revolution and terrorism. Should the land survive a Turkish assault, a leadership under today's Armenian government would be unfruitful. There is no capital available to us to set up a decent infrastructure, even in the land we currently possess, so we are at a dilemma.

All we can hope for is the downfall of Turkey. However, this would create a major political vacuum, and it would take more than 50 years for stability to return to these lands and their neighboring nations. This thought simply isn't feasible, and it's effects on an international scale would be devastating. The Turks would still not acknowledge the genocide, and they'll feel like an unjustifiable punishment has been inflicted upon them. They'd try to kill us all with their bare hands should something like this happen. Expect suicide bommers, expect more mass killings, expect more terror, with your dream of compensation for what happened to Armenia in 1915. Expect the world to rally on the side of the Turks, as it would be much more advantageous to them for their nation to survive. Globalization cannot favour our cause.

All I can suggest for the time being is to strengthen our nation, which clearly isn't happening, now that the Americans are going to suck us dry with their capitalism.

If we became a powerful state, then we can make ammends, but as things stand, we're just a bunch of hobos who want some rich man to hand us over his 12 story apartment building.

[winoman]

obviously some people are unfamiliar with events that occured in the Caucuses, in Cilicia and in Smyrna in the early 1920s. Again - please do your research. I am a great admirer of Ataturk - for many reasons - but he was no friend to Armenians - quite the opposite.