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  • #111
    winoman-
    You have already shown your mind is made up when you called my beliefs fables without (admittedly) knowing the first thing about what it is I believe and why. You are here to deny the genocide just like your idiot friends Cemil ("If I only had a Brain") and NoThinkTurk

    winoman-
    And Bell the Cat - I assure you - truth is much stranger then fiction and you haven't a clue (though I found your misinterpretations funny - as seen through your own lens without having properly listened or digested what I said - a problem that you obvioulsy have in other areas as well...).


    winoman,

    you are the only man who knows, who is objective, who is impartial, who are educated, who are ...(dear readder insert here any positive adjective you know)..

    at the other hand,
    rest of us, unaducated, ridiculous, static, bad, idiot, clueless, ...(insert here any negative adjective you know)..

    winoguy,

    humans are not perfect. Everybody -including Almighty Winoman- has good side, bad side. Everybody -including Almighty Winoman- can make mistake, can say something wong, can miss some points, can change over time, can behave tempered, can break hearts, can commit sins/crimes, can cheat/deceit...

    Excerpt from the film Magdalena Sisters: Vanity is a sin.

    I came here to learn the feelings/approaches of Armenians. When I meet an Armenian in some other countries I visited, I feel "quilty" because I can see the sorrow in her/his eyes. I ask myself, I came here because "I wanted", but why this Armenian here? "Did he want ?" Answer is no, he didnt. Her/his parants/grandparents were "forced" out of their homeland.

    I came here with these feelings and with my knowledge of "denialist literature". If i were "total denialist", i would not "feel sorrow"...

    Your kind of boasters just irritate Turkish people, because the first thing you do is insult.

    I even dont believe your sincerety. You gave me an ipmression of that. you are more interested in boasting how much s h i t you know, how clever you are, how educated you are, than the recognition of genocide/relocation, whatever you call it.

    Me, rookiearcher (rookiedenier, and xxxxx for winoguy) stop here postin in this thread...

    See you all in another thread...

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    • #112
      check the forum rules : http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?t=4874 ,

      then check what topic they talk in same forum : http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?t=5396

      this is idotic enough for this website to be ignored

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      • #113
        Originally posted by winoman
        NoThinkTurk - gobble gobble gobble ! Yup - you haven't a clue concerning yoru archives.Sarfian and Ackam have both written extensively documenting how the Ottoman Archives are controlled in a manner that causes them to noty be considered "open" in any streatch of the immagination. Additionally the answers are not neceissarily in those archives as they were never a complete archives to begin with - and the recordkeeping has been typical Turk - if not blatently doctored certainly ineptly handled...but at least regardign the latter they are still aparently sloppy and ignorant enough to not even understand what they have there...
        Ohh what we have here... Our armenian fault archive freak winoman... Hey winoman what about your Armenian archives just show me your clues if you have any. I already mentioned Sarafian's misleading "ottoman archive debate" fable and his diaspora efforts. And Akçam's extreme left-wing acts at his past didnt you read them? Denial of Ottoman Archives are nonsense because you don't have anything in your hands. And you didn't even come up with which sections are false or corrupted... All you say is they are corrupted and Turkish. What a mess of you Armenians.
        Question to brainless diaspora freak: where are your archives?

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        • #114
          I'm curious why do your mounts shut when i talked before 1915?
          Question to brainless diaspora freak: where are your archives?

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          • #115
            Originally posted by RookieArcher
            [I]winoman-

            I even dont believe your sincerety. You gave me an ipmression of that. you are more interested in boasting how much s h i t you know, how clever you are, how educated you are, than the recognition of genocide/relocation, whatever you call it.
            ...
            Since you have been able to discover that important truth after only 13 posts, understanding the whole truth about the Armenian Genocide is well within your abilities.

            About the hardest thing to remember is trying to remember what it was like before you knew something, and remembering what exactly the process was that enabled you to move from a state of not knowing to a state of knowing. For that reason it would, as I said, be valuable to know how people like Akcam did it, (regardless of whether they started from a position of denying the genocide, or just from a position of not knowing anything about it).

            You asked for a reading list - but there isn't any point in posting a long list of books that you are not able to access, is there. And if you are living in Turkey, a lot will be banned or impossible to find. Anyway it is always better to investigate things yourself, rather than just accepting what someone else has written about a subject or told you to read!

            Why not try and find books that were published before 1915 - that show what things were like for Armenians in Turkey before the Genocide. They will mostly be travel books written by Europeans. But even some of them are still banned - including H.F.B. Lynch's monumental 1901 book "Armenia, travels and studies" which is the best for showing what it was like. There are also academic periodicals like the Geographical Journal. If you live in Ankara or Istanbul, then the libraries of the varrious foreign archeological institutes may have these 19th century books. Another interesting thing to do would be to try and find Turkish sources - look for old Turkish newspapers for that period (although they will be in arabic writing of course). I don't think anyone has looked into them and seen what they contain. There were local newspapers for all the major cities. And not only in Turkish. As well as in Constantinople, there were even Armenian newspapers published in places like Erzurum and Van.

            Coincidentally, I met Dadrian in March, and in passing I suggested to him that it might be interesting to explore what the contents of these old Ottoman newspapers might contain in relation to the Genocide, but I just got a blank look and a dismissive "they wouldn't contain anything" comment. It was obvious that it had never occured to him before to look at them.

            I think the Armenian Turkish writer Pars Tuglaci might have written a book on Armenians in Ottoman Turkey as reflected in period newspapers.
            Last edited by bell-the-cat; 05-11-2005, 01:47 PM.
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