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  • #1

    do you really believe...

    Suppose that Turkey would accept so-called genocide...

    Do you realy believe ....

    that you would be given the lands where you had no dominance against Greeks or Turks or Kurds...

    that Turkey -having the second largest army within the NATO, a growing economy with 300 billion dollars ,military expenditures where it is in the top countries in this class,strategic relations with the USA,Israel....- would present this lands where has been watered inch by inch with Turkish blood for a milenium...to a little Armenia which would not defend occupied territories of Azeris growing economically in every passing day thanks to their reserves! Ohh...These lands belonged to the Greeks.But,they have no intention to take the lands.As they are realist and non-dreamers altough they are much more powerful than you!

    You have never founded a country in the Anatolia.Because you never had consciousness of nation while you were living in the mountains...The problem is that you are trying to build a real nation based on "genocide".I am sure and wise Armenians know well that Armenian politicians never wants acception of the genocide!!!A nation is consructed against the "other".Hatred for the other creates the consciousness of nation.And,you are constructing a real nation on the hatred of Turks.

    Those above are my views.They may be wrong of course... There are no scientific rules that a Turk knows nothing right and an armenian knows everything exactly!
    But,i also know well that a typical armenian knows everthing right which can't be known by a Turk... This mentality is a scientific rule for a typical Armenian....
    Last edited by sadi; 06-01-2005, 03:04 PM.
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    Originally posted by Sadi
    You have never founded a country in the Anatolia. Because you never had consciousness of nation while you were living in the mountains...
    Well firstly this is plain false, unless you don't count the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia as being in Anatolia, which it obviously is. Other than that, Armenia would have had a nation partly in Anatolia if the Sevres Treaty had gone through. Besides that, you look at the Armenians as some mountain-dwelling cavemen like the Kurds. These "mountain-dwellers", while obviously some have always lived there, also lived in cities throughout Anatolia and were the great merchants of the empire. Don't make us out to have been primative people living in the mountains of Turkey.

    Originally posted by Sadi
    to a little Armenia which would not defend occupied territories of Azeris growing economically in every passing day thanks to their reserves!
    I'm sorry, but I don't know what this means. What were you trying to say here? If you're saying Armenia has not defending what you call the occupied territories, well then why hasn't Azerbaijan with its great reserves money taken it back yet?

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    • #3
      ....to a little Armenia which will not able to defend...


      The Treaty of Serves...
      I know that you had no any intentions to break up The Ottoman State until 1915... before a few years of the signing of the treaty.You suddenly decided to participate the plans.But,before 1915,you were innocent and good man.You had no plans for this.You had not been pledged by Russia,France,of course Britain for an Armenian state before 1915.

      Many nations had intentions to become independent against the Ottoman Empire.In the era of Nationalist trends,this was surely normal.But,Armenians everytime says that they were innocent and loyal people to the Ottomans until 1915... They did nothing to lay ground for an independent Armenian state,i know well...!!!
      Last edited by sadi; 06-01-2005, 10:25 PM.

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      • #4
        is this thread getting more incomprehensible as it goes on?

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        • #5
          Well firstly this is plain false, unless you don't count the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia as being in Anatolia
          I said that i might be wrong.I have learned that you have founded a kingdom or princedom in the Clicia...

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          • #6
            Not to mention Yerevan is one of the oldest consistently inhabited cities on the planet. While Turkey's capital was stolen long after it's establishment.

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            • #7
              Armenia was building castles when the Turks were still living in the caves.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sadi
                Suppose that Turkey would accept so-called genocide...

                Do you realy believe ....

                that you would be given the lands where you had no dominance against Greeks or Turks or Kurds...

                that Turkey -having the second largest army within the NATO, a growing economy with 300 billion dollars ,military expenditures where it is in the top countries in this class,strategic relations with the USA,Israel....- would present this lands where has been watered inch by inch with Turkish blood for a milenium...to a little Armenia which would not defend occupied territories of Azeris growing economically in every passing day thanks to their reserves! Ohh...These lands belonged to the Greeks.But,they have no intention to take the lands.As they are realist and non-dreamers altough they are much more powerful than you!

                You have never founded a country in the Anatolia.Because you never had consciousness of nation while you were living in the mountains...The problem is that you are trying to build a real nation based on "genocide".I am sure and wise Armenians know well that Armenian politicians never wants acception of the genocide!!!A nation is consructed against the "other".Hatred for the other creates the consciousness of nation.And,you are constructing a real nation on the hatred of Turks.

                Those above are my views.They may be wrong of course... There are no scientific rules that a Turk knows nothing right and an armenian knows everything exactly!
                But,i also know well that a typical armenian knows everthing right which can't be known by a Turk... This mentality is a scientific rule for a typical Armenian....
                What a crazy forum!
                I agree that they constructed their identity on an obsessive Turkish hatred. It is a kind of hobby for these people to hate from Turks. And it is also the most important part of their national identity. Although they are trying to create some other identities and myths like "once upon a time there was an Armenian kingdom, everybody was happy...", Turkish hatred seems easier for them. Crying as "they killed us, they made genocide to us, we are poor victims" is the most important rituel for being an Armenian in diaspora.
                They are using this "identity" to struggle against assimilation in USA, Canada, France...
                Simply they are crazy people and it has no meaning to debate something. Because whenever they realize that you are a Turk, they became childish idio*s who are unable to communicate and started to bring up their hatred.
                Simply they are funny and their projects like invading Turkey,etc. makes them funnier. A nation full of pathological Turkish hatred. All of them must go to a professional terapy to become a normal nation.
                Of course we, Turks are responsible of this poor situation of these people because of deportation at 1915. But that is another story, of course.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Red Brigade
                  Armenia was building castles when the Turks were still living in the caves.
                  Yes,you are right.When we are living in the caves,Chinese were building the great wall.But,we have hardly needed to build castles.

                  I am very sad for not having built castles now
                  And,you must be happy to have built castles.

                  Ohh... what is your age!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by IAmMadAtAC
                    Well firstly this is plain false, unless you don't count the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia as being in Anatolia, which it obviously is. Other than that, Armenia would have had a nation partly in Anatolia if the Sevres Treaty had gone through. Besides that, you look at the Armenians as some mountain-dwelling cavemen like the Kurds. These "mountain-dwellers", while obviously some have always lived there, also lived in cities throughout Anatolia and were the great merchants of the empire. Don't make us out to have been primative people living in the mountains of Turkey.

                    I'm sorry, but I don't know what this means. What were you trying to say here? If you're saying Armenia has not defending what you call the occupied territories, well then why hasn't Azerbaijan with its great reserves money taken it back yet?
                    Armenians are not a real nation except 1080-1375, your Cilician kingdom.
                    Besides this 295 years you lived under rule of Romans, Byzantines, Turks, Russians. You became free people again 14 years ago. 295+14 is not sufficient to be a real nation in the human history. As a culture you may have a history but as a nation you have no real history. I'm sorry for that.
                    Because that you always lived as slaves of Romans, Byzantines, Turks, Russians you have an inferiority complex and thats why you parrot everytime as "we hava a great history"

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