Tufan it is not US who think that. It is what the facts of your own people that SHOWED that and if you are not learning to make sense we do not need to converse with an overly burned loser who came on a forum to conceal yet another piece of truth that your Turks are guilty of. Just leave, you are a waste of band-width as it is and if you are so disturbed by your savagely past, go learn to be civil and have the decency to at least not attack us for telling the sad truth your people are guilty about. Also, PSSTTTT, if you want to get some credibility in your writings, you will not do that by skewing all of what is already shown as facts about your wretch murderer savages from a Mongol descent, therefore I recommend you honestly depart because going about doing whatever it is you want in this uncivil way, it really is not going to persuade us something you already are guilty of.
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I don't want to continue this discussion because all of you become to behave more ugly. If you are really sure about your past that much, why are you swearing to express youe feelings? I don't want to make you angry I really suprised about your this behaivour. Is this a forum of angry teenagers? How old all are you? I hope that you are a couple of pimpled teens. I don't want to believe that you represent your nation.
By the way all the common point in your answers are about how asiatic shaped,Mongolian,vs... the Turks are. I want to inform you that Armenia is at the east of Turkey, you are also asians and you look more asiatic than Turks if you think that to be asian is something bad. Even if we accept your totaly lie genocide claims, you are still so hateful. The Jews do not hate from Germans like you because racism is feeding your anger as I understang from your answer.
By the way about your stupid genocide term: The term genocide is created after WW2 to determine what Germans did to Jews who were peaceful and unarmed citizens of Reich and who are massively terminated only because of their race. Armenians are get armed, revolted and attacked to Muslim cities and villages to decrease the population of Turks by killing and expulse them and to claim from their Russian allies which invaded our homeland that the majority of those lands are Armenians. Because in no part of eastern anatolia or elsewhere the Armenians was not a majority against Turks (you can ask to your historians) Of course it doen't justify the killing of Armenians but this is the point of us why we deny your "genocide" claims. Genocide is what Germans did to their peaceful citizens but you started the revolt and massacres against Turks (you can again ask this to your historians)
Let me tell you a story: Our family was living at Hinis (east anatolia)before WW1. When war started and Russians prepared to invade Turkey, their Armenian neighbours satrted to attacked to Muslim community and father of my grandfather and his family migrated to Erzurum on foot like all other Muslims to escape Armenian atrocities. At the road he lost his sister, when they reached Erzurum this time Russians (and Ottoman citizens Armenians in Russian army) invaded Erzurum and expulse them to Malatya. Again they walked to Malatya and this time he lost his second sister. This is what I heared from my family, but I never hate from Armenians because of this. The reason of your hate is the secret racism as I understood, because you always talk about how asiatic, mongolic,vs. shaped the Turks are. When you say this you forget that you are from asia and you have asian gene too.
Anyway I wrote too much and will not write again, because noone wrote an answer civilizely. I dont but all of you are you swearing and very funny one of you reming me to behave civil and decent.
Finally: I like Armenians we had very important theatr artists, architects (Balyan family), ministers at Ottoman goverments,musicians (Hampartzum Limoncian) and we love each other despite all those tragedy that Armenians and Turks lived in the past.
But I don't have nothing more to share your racist community, you can continue to enjoy your stereotypes at your isolated forum. You even can not stand a message of a Turk. Your diaspora can continue to create a society identity which only base the hate to Turks.
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To add to my message: Tufan, if you have anything to say or argue about, I advise you to do so with the experts who have studied and recognized the genocide beyond a shadow of doubt. These experts include many highly educated Turks. Coming here and arguing with teenagers, as you call them, is not a very smart move. As long as Turks like yourself refuse to listen to and examine everything that has been examined to recognize the genocide (including everything Ottoman and Turkish), we can only feel sorry for you and your kind. Now, unless you have something new to add (as in something we haven't heard yet), get lost.
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Originally posted by TufanI don't want to continue this discussion because all of you become to behave more ugly. If you are really sure about your past that much, why are you swearing to express youe feelings? I don't want to make you angry I really suprised about your this behaivour. Is this a forum of angry teenagers? How old all are you? I hope that you are a couple of pimpled teens. I don't want to believe that you represent your nation.
By the way all the common point in your answers are about how asiatic shaped,Mongolian,vs... the Turks are. I want to inform you that Armenia is at the east of Turkey, you are also asians and you look more asiatic than Turks if you think that to be asian is something bad. Even if we accept your totaly lie genocide claims, you are still so hateful. The Jews do not hate from Germans like you because racism is feeding your anger as I understang from your answer.
By the way about your stupid genocide term: The term genocide is created after WW2 to determine what Germans did to Jews who were peaceful and unarmed citizens of Reich and who are massively terminated only because of their race. Armenians are get armed, revolted and attacked to Muslim cities and villages to decrease the population of Turks by killing and expulse them and to claim from their Russian allies which invaded our homeland that the majority of those lands are Armenians. Because in no part of eastern anatolia or elsewhere the Armenians was not a majority against Turks (you can ask to your historians) Of course it doen't justify the killing of Armenians but this is the point of us why we deny your "genocide" claims. Genocide is what Germans did to their peaceful citizens but you started the revolt and massacres against Turks (you can again ask this to your historians)
Let me tell you a story: Our family was living at Hinis (east anatolia)before WW1. When war started and Russians prepared to invade Turkey, their Armenian neighbours satrted to attacked to Muslim community and father of my grandfather and his family migrated to Erzurum on foot like all other Muslims to escape Armenian atrocities. At the road he lost his sister, when they reached Erzurum this time Russians (and Ottoman citizens Armenians in Russian army) invaded Erzurum and expulse them to Malatya. Again they walked to Malatya and this time he lost his second sister. This is what I heared from my family, but I never hate from Armenians because of this. The reason of your hate is the secret racism as I understood, because you always talk about how asiatic, mongolic,vs. shaped the Turks are. When you say this you forget that you are from asia and you have asian gene too.
Anyway I wrote too much and will not write again, because noone wrote an answer civilizely. I dont but all of you are you swearing and very funny one of you reming me to behave civil and decent.
Finally: I like Armenians we had very important theatr artists, architects (Balyan family), ministers at Ottoman goverments,musicians (Hampartzum Limoncian) and we love each other despite all those tragedy that Armenians and Turks lived in the past.
But I don't have nothing more to share your racist community, you can continue to enjoy your stereotypes at your isolated forum. You even can not stand a message of a Turk. Your diaspora can continue to create a society identity which only base the hate to Turks.Achkerov kute.
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Tufan (assuming you are still reading):
I do not hate Turks in general, only the ones that are in the habit of denying. I do not like cowboys for what they did to the Native Americans either. I do not like the Zionists for what they have done to Palestinians either.
My family knew a Turkish woman who helped Armenians during the massacres. Do I hate her? No. How can I? It is unfortunate you cannot talk to her now about history.
It is funny how you provoke. You come here and say that we are creating myths and our culture is dependant on a lie and are surprised that we get upset. That is ridiculous. I hope you realize that, now.
Oh, and saying "genocide" is a fifty year old words is just absurd.
Let us talk history:
Please point me to one non-Turkish primary historical source that has your view. I can point you to countless American Journalists and an ambassador (who was Jewish).
Regarding Armenians being more Asian: That is also ignorant. Saying Armenia is farther East than Turkey and therefore more Asian does not take into account that Mongols migrated from the Eastern end of the Asian continent. (You do know where Mongolia is right?)
Jews do not need to hate Germans. Germans do not deny anything and have paid exorbitant amounts of money for that part of history. Not to mention that Jews have been given a very free forum of expressing their opinion of that part of history without everyone pouncing on them.
Oh, and thanks for your little story. I can tell you a hundred of those but you would not care.
As for Turks being barbarians....your eight year old westernization aside, historically you have not contributed anything other than blood thirst. Open a history book. "Mongols killed these people... Turks invaded those people... Turks stole this stuff... and Constantinople fell, etc..." I have not heard much else and it is not from an Armenian history book.Last edited by dusken; 08-06-2004, 09:19 AM.
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Originally posted by duskenTufan (assuming you are still reading):
I do not hate Turks in general, only the ones that are in the habit of denying. I do not like cowboys for what they did to the Native Americans either. I do not like the Zionists for what they have done to Palestinians either.
My family knew a Turkish woman who helped Armenians during the massacres. Do I hate her? No. How can I? It is unfortunate you cannot talk to her now about history.
It is funny how you provoke. You come here and say that we are creating myths and our culture is dependant on a lie and are surprised that we get upset. That is ridiculous. I hope you realize that, now.
Oh, and saying "genocide" is a fifty year old words is just absurd.
Let us talk history:
Please point me to one non-Turkish primary historical source that has your view. I can point you to countless American Journalists and an ambassador (who was Jewish).
Regarding Armenians being more Asian: That is also ignorant. Saying Armenia is farther East than Turkey and therefore more Asian does not take into account that Mongols migrated from the Eastern end of the Asian continent. (You do know where Mongolia is right?)
Jews do not need to hate Germans. Germans do not deny anything and have paid exorbitant amounts of money for that part of history. Not to mention that Jews have been given a very free forum of expressing their opinion of that part of history without everyone pouncing on them.
Oh, and thanks for your little story. I can tell you a hundred of those but you would not care.
As for Turks being barbarians....your eight year old westernization aside, historically you have not contributed anything other than blood thirst. Open a history book. "Mongols killed these people... Turks invaded those people... Turks stole this stuff... and Constantinople fell, etc..." I have not heard much else and it is not from an Armenian history book."All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx
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