Turkey bans YouTube

[ardakilic]

Selam

1- i heard the definition of "Kemalist arrogance" first time, i have never faced a kind of behaviour like "kemalist arrogance" in Turkiye. i really don't have an idea about what you are talking about. so i can not discuss about generally unknown definitions.

a) every individual who is over 18 age has right to elect, every individual over 25 has right to be elected.

b) every individual who is over 18 age has right to elect, every individual over 25 has right to be elected. and the Turkiye's former female president Tansu Çiller proved there r no legal barriers against the women in political life in Turkiye.

2-i am not curious about ur personal opinion, pls show me concrede evidences that can confirm your claims.

3-i am not curious about ur personal opinion, pls show me concrede evidences that can confirm your claims.

4-Armenian democracy is too weak to compare it with Turkish democracy.


you can have an hatred against Turkiye and Turks, i can understand that but pls be a little more reasonable, don't let your hatred block your sense.

That's really funny. Every time when i start to discuss Kemalism with a Turk, they always claim that i hate Turks and Turkiye.

Okay, introduction to logic:

1. Iran is more developed than Turkey in two subjects:
a. Minorities' participation to political life
b. Women participation to political life

To have something in laws and constitution (namely papers) doesnot mean that you really have it. Also a single example (Ciller) doesnot mean that women of Turkey has much participated to political life than women of Iran. Even Iran! Can you imagine that even this comparison means something?

I defined what Kemalist arrogance is. Against Islamic and/or Eastern countries, as if Turkey is so modern so Western so bla bla, understiamtion is Kemalist arrogance. Claiming that "Turkey is only one country that is democratic and also have Muslim population".

[Steph]

That's really funny. Every time when i start to discuss Kemalism with a Turk, they always claim that i hate Turks and Turkiye.

Arda, I can only guess but part of the reason you participate in this struggle for AG recognition is because of your love of turks and turkey.

If you hated turks and turkey it would be easy to leave and live elsewhere.

[phantom]

1-which "some part" of Iran is more democratic than Turkiye?

2-Show me another secular country which its population's majority is muslim.

3-Secularity means seperation of the religion and the state. Everyone has right to beleive what they want. But state cannot have a religion. (according to Turkish constitution)

4-coz i only prefer to compare Turkish democracy with the advanced democracies. Armenian democracy is not so different than afghanistan democracy. they cant even elect their president withouth violence. remember the last Armenian elections.

Tansel, in what kind of democratic country does a peace-loving man get killed for trying to bring together the people of his country and then have his murderer wrapped in the flag of that country?

And also, when comparing Turkey and Armenia, keep in mind, Armenia was under communist rule until 1991. Armenia has been independent for only 17 years, and Turkey has been independent for 85 years. Armenia needs some time to adjust, just like Turkey still needs time even after 85 years of supposed "democracy".

[ardakilic]

Arda, I can only guess but part of the reason you participate in this struggle for AG recognition is because of your love of turks and turkey.

If you hated turks and turkey it would be easy to leave and live elsewhere.

Exactly my friend. I try to participate AG Recognition struggle because of my love of Turks and Turkey, but also my love of Kurds and Kurdistan, of Hays and Hayastan, of Arabs and Arabia, of Greeks and Greece... and so on.

[tansel]

That's really funny. Every time when i start to discuss Kemalism with a Turk, they always claim that i hate Turks and Turkiye.

Okay, introduction to logic:

1. Iran is more developed than Turkey in two subjects:
a. Minorities' participation to political life
b. Women participation to political life

To have something in laws and constitution (namely papers) doesnot mean that you really have it. Also a single example (Ciller) doesnot mean that women of Turkey has much participated to political life than women of Iran. Even Iran! Can you imagine that even this comparison means something?

I defined what Kemalist arrogance is. Against Islamic and/or Eastern countries, as if Turkey is so modern so Western so bla bla, understiamtion is Kemalist arrogance. Claiming that "Turkey is only one country that is democratic and also have Muslim population".

1-if you say iran is more developed than Turkiye in a "neutral" forum, everybody will laugh at you and not by their mouths.,
a. minorities doesnt have any problems to participate political life. if i am wrong, show your concrede evidences. Do you know that there are 80+ kurdish parliementer in the Turkish parliement? Do u know that Turkiye had a Kurdish originly President Turgut Özal?

b. women doesnt have any problems to participate political life. do you know that Turkiye had a Female President Tansu Çiller.

There is no arrogance in Kemalism, how genius definitions you have. i appreciate that. i am sure theese definitions are more "cool" instead of sensible ones in this kind of (so called) forums.

"Peace at Home, Peace in the World."
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

[tansel]

Tansel, in what kind of democratic country does a peace-loving man get killed for trying to bring together the people of his country and then have his murderer wrapped in the flag of that country?

And also, when comparing Turkey and Armenia, keep in mind, Armenia was under communist rule until 1991. Armenia has been independent for only 17 years, and Turkey has been independent for 85 years. Armenia needs some time to adjust, just like Turkey still needs time even after 85 years of supposed "democracy".

did the Turkish goverment kill anybody? what are you talking about?

so go make your country democratic and then come to me and critisize my country.

[tansel]

Exactly my friend. I try to participate AG Recognition struggle because of my love of Turks and Turkey, but also my love of Kurds and Kurdistan, of Hays and Hayastan, of Arabs and Arabia, of Greeks and Greece... and so on.

oh you r so sweet...

[ardakilic]

1-if you say iran is more developed than Turkiye in a "neutral" forum, everybody will laugh at you and not by their mouths.,

First of all, DO NOT SHOW YOUR COARSENESS! If you have counter-arguments, propose. If you have evidences, show. If you have idea, tell. But here is not comedy theatre, so trying to ridicule doesnot make you funny.

a. minorities doesnt have any problems to participate political life. if i am wrong, show your concrede evidences. Do you know that there are 80+ kurdish parliementer in the Turkish parliement? Do u know that Turkiye had a Kurdish originly President Turgut Özal?

There is no problem unless you express your identity. The problem is not having a Kurd president. Problem occurs whenever (s)he expresses that (s)he is Kurd. This is like expression freedom. Thinking whatever you want is free. You say "There is no obstacle in thinking". Of course there isnt unless you express it. Obstacle exist in expressing, not in thinking/being.

b. women doesnt have any problems to participate political life. do you know that Turkiye had a Female President Tansu Çiller.

I stated and once again: A single example doesnt prove that the generalization is valid (This is called accident fallacy). Fallacy! Can you see?

According the WEP Report-2008: Participation of women to political life and equality of genders index, Turkey is at 123rd rank and Iran 116th. Tunis, Jordan and UAE is 103rd. There are lots of international organizations report like this.

There is no arrogance in Kemalism, how genius definitions you have. i appreciate that. i am sure theese definitions are more "cool" instead of sensible ones in this kind of (so called) forums.

Laugh at yourself. Yes, i am a math genius but this is irrelevant to the issue.

[ardakilic]

did the Turkish goverment kill anybody? what are you talking about?

so go make your country democratic and then come to me and critisize my country.

Turkey Republic killed twice more the casualities of "independence war". So, we can see whom against Kemalists are fighting.

[ardakilic]

oh you r so sweet...

But you are not.