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Please Sign This Petition: Özür diliyoruz

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  • My Right To Apologize


    Whether my apology is accepted or not, (by the living or by the deceased) I will want to keep doing this until we all accept, understand, share pain, forgive; but not forget till eternity what had happened in 1915.

    BIA News Service - Ankara

    19-12-2008

    Şafak PAREV

    Like many people who have signed and not signed the statement in apology of the 1915 events; I also think the wording is not to the liking of some of us; but I guess the drafters of this text argued on this extensively, and came to a "compromise" one, to provide as much participation as possible.

    For example, personally, I am not happy with the definition of the 1915 as only the Great Catastrophe; I would have liked to sign under a text which said Genocide openly; I believe we have past all threshold to be cautious; especially after the killing of Hrant Dink.

    Also some other persons have been outside the scope of the apology as we all know the Assyrians also had their share of the 1915 Genocide; and then when is a good time to apologise from the Rums (ethnic Greeks under Turkish rule) and other non-Muslims in Turkey who have suffered not may be as much as in so many numbers, but have also suffered similarly? Therefore the text could have possibly said "the Armenian Genocide, the Armenians and others who have lost their lives in that period and all the non-Muslims who have suffered the same faith for similar reasons of hatred; as victims of crimes against humanity..".

    Another point of ciriticism was that this apology statement's text could have been discussed a little longer among a larger group of persons rather than being launched immediately by the four prominent intellectuals; this would have given us all the chance to refine and study other forms of apologies better; and improve it.

    BUT I still signed this statement, because:

    Even though I do not feel personally responsible from the Genocide; I signed it for reasons of humane consciousness ; like many others have also expressed; i.e. Yasemn Çongar et al..;

    I believe that this statement will increase awareness and also put pressures on official historiography,

    I signed for reasons of compassion and empathy creation;

    I signed to announce that we, the citizens of Turkey who are willing to face the past, those of us who have to live here have had really enough of this official and public denialist approach, we can not not sign such a statement if already some people have taken courageous initiative to begin somewhere; to take a step further ahead in a thorny road;

    I see the statement as an avant garde to be followed by better ones and many many others in the near future; this is only a starter;

    As against the criticisms of those who do not wish to sign by saying that they are world citizens and not bound by the borders of a mundane state;
    these people who signed the apology text are also citizens of the world; to say those who sign are feeling as subjects of the Turkish state; or doing this in the name of the Turkish state

    I signed because this burden of official/public denial has always been too unbearable to live with; you can imagine living in a country where such truth has been continuously concealed and many people who wanted to talk about it faced court cases, had to flee to another civilised parts of the world; or had been killed like Hrant Dink. Hrant Dink was killed because of this concealed history and open hatred; was killed because he was an Armenian; and also because he was constantly trying to uncover the buried facts;

    I wanted to sign it not merely to put my mind at ease; as my mind is still not at ease and will not be until Turkey recognizes, apologises and compensates officially; my mind will not be at ease till the moment I die with remembrance of those Armenian brothers and sisters of ours and others who had to die like that; But this will be a small step in that truth and soul searching path; it is worth the effort; brick by brick to make this wall of denial and shame to fall down;

    I wanted to sign because I wanted to shout not only by one signature but all my life that I will always be at pain, suffer, remember the lost souls and suffrage they had to go through;

    Finally this is my right to apologise; to not only to those living Armenians whether they were relatives or had no ties at all with the genocide victims; all inclusive apology from all Armenians and Assyrians, and all human beings of the world; but also to the deceased souls of the genocide of the 1909 and 1915. Whether my apology is accepted or not, (by the living or by the deceased) I will want to keep doing this until we all accept, understand, share pain, forgive; but not FORGET till eternity what had happened in 1915.

    I may still have forgotten important reasons to the apology, or feelings still not explained; but just wanted to express some of them; the process of apology is not a gained one with one statement; it is a long long enduring path to take. And this statement is a sign post for this road; and I wish to congratulate the four courageus persons who initiated it. (ŞP/EK)

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    • Sometimes I get so angry that I think we deserved what we got.
      Yeah, I know what that feels like and it’s sometimes true sadly. Guys, I don’t know what’s going on or who to believe but something smells really bad and I’m not keeping my hopes sky high and I urge all of you to think the same way. I think we’re in for a major surprise. Politics are always mixed into normal affairs in (especially) Turkey so keep your eyes peeled. Arda, Lal, etc. in Turkey, could you be our correspondents there? You’re the only ones we know here that don’t talk xxxx, lol. Keep us informed.

      Go see a neurologist.
      And you go enjoy reading my post again! You might actually understand something this time, I have my fingers crossed.

      ı agree with you. you are a very smart guy. you got us.we are also paid by the government to sign there and even to write here,to look symphatetic to armenians.

      ı think this is a very good example of how deep both people are poisined by this issue.
      Thank you Lal, I didn’t know I was so smart, lol.

      I have a feeling that some people here are making too much of Saco`s post and probably we have misunderstood him.Saco was probably referring to the people on this TV channel and how they view the petition and not giving his own personal opinion.However they way Saco worded his post seems that it was his own opinion and not the people or reporters on this channel he was watching so the post gave a little bit confusing message.Oh well, I think we have to wait for Saco to clarify his post.
      I think Alex is the only one that pretty much understood how I said what I said. Thank you. Well, here’s how it is. The news I mentioned really exists and it’s come up a couple of times. I’m not saying that all the Turks that signed are politicians (neither did the news), I already said that, but I think the real Turk bastards will do something, something we don’t foresee at the moment.

      P.S After reading Saco`s post a couple of times it seems that he was actually being sarcastic against these people on this TV channel and ridiculed them for their conspiracy thoughts about the petition.Note Saco`s own comments:"smart people".I better stop here to wait for Saco to clarify his post so I don`t get in trouble.
      Haha, great work, you cracked the riddle Alex. I said “smart people” because they might be wrong. It might just be politics and we all know how that ends, right guys? I believe the petition is being done from the heart but Turks can manipulate your heart sometimes to their advantage just like they did in 1915 and just like many other people around the world (not just Turks have the ability to manipulate).

      it should be i am in Los Angeles for four months

      and also i am trying to learn some spanish. I know many Armenian people here and hoping learn some Armenian too.

      When i see us as Turks in here i think maybe i didn't walk in strees with Hrant Dink poster for nothing. We can change the word even backside of us and our greed.
      Welcome back and good luck with everything. You might manage to get an Armenian girlfriend ! Los Angeles is Armenian turf my brother.

      Arda, listen to phantom. You and lal,may mthT and all others aren't guests. You're members (inmates in the asylum like all of us)
      Couldn’t have said it better, who ever doesn’t agree is out of his/her mind.

      Yes, Saco, it is very possible that turkish government will use this for avoiding official apology.
      Exactly my point. Everyone, I respect what’s going on but I can’t feel safe and completely reassured that something isn’t going to happen. As an Armenian, I’m not making that mistake again. Think whatever you want and please guys don’t think and talk the way you do as if you don’t know me yet. I’m not stupid to think that everything is a scam. Everything I know would be in vain in that case.
      THE ROAD TO FREEDOM AND JUSTICE IS A LONG ONE!

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      • Recent Update:
        The nationalist lot have also set up their own website to do counter-propaganda, see http://www.ozurbekliyorum.com.

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        • Originally posted by Saco View Post
          Politics are always mixed into normal affairs in (especially) Turkey so keep your eyes peeled. Arda, Lal, etc. in Turkey, could you be our correspondents there? You’re the only ones we know here that don’t talk xxxx, lol. Keep us informed.
          Many of campaign-organizer intellectuals are being threatened and i also have two. Government and authorities are angry. Also, as today i have realized, even Armenian community is not content for our campaign.
          Can you imagine our situation?

          I am not crying but it is hard now. But if we can keep our calmness - it seems we are able to-, we will be able to change something.

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          • The ARMENIAN COMMUNITY, you kidding me? Is this real? I mean, sure politics and all are there but not to be happy that people are trying to change something is BS. Hold on strong guys, I wish I could help anymore then I can now.
            THE ROAD TO FREEDOM AND JUSTICE IS A LONG ONE!

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            • Originally posted by Saco View Post
              The ARMENIAN COMMUNITY, you kidding me? Is this real? I mean, sure politics and all are there but not to be happy that people are trying to change something is BS. Hold on strong guys, I wish I could help anymore then I can now.
              Let's see, if I was a Turkish Armenian.....

              I don’t think I would be happy either when certain Turks are using the AG issue as a tool to gain more freedom in Turkey, which Gull would love to use as a strategic tool later against official AG recognition.
              Also I would NOT be very excited about pissing off the Ultra Nationalist racist Turks and giving them an excuse, who as we know will not hesitate to harm Armenians. But then again I have never been to Turkey, let alone live there; what the hell do I know.

              Saco Jan, nice response to May, I agree with you 100%.

              Adra, I don’t doubt your good intentions and I do hope moderate Turks get more rights out of their Government, I just hope this does not come at the expense of your Armenian citizens.


              Albatros

              Hey thanks for the Website. I heard a few days back that such a counter petition will start. Wow, look at those numbers go up baby. The Turks are speaking.

              Anybody know the numbers on the original petition is up to? I can’t seem to be able to open that website.

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              • Originally posted by Edoman
                Anybody know the numbers on the original petition is up to? I can’t seem to be able to open that website.
                It is about 15000. But somebody is trying to hack it. Especially some institutions...

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                • Originally posted by Edoman
                  Let's see, if I was a Turkish Armenian.....

                  I don’t think I would be happy either when certain Turks are using the AG issue as a tool to gain more freedom in Turkey, which Gull would love to use as a strategic tool later against official AG recognition.
                  Also I would NOT be very excited about pissing off the Ultra Nationalist racist Turks and giving them an excuse, who as we know will not hesitate to harm Armenians. But then again I have never been to Turkey, let alone live there; what the hell do I know.

                  Saco Jan, nice response to May, I agree with you 100%.

                  Adra, I don’t doubt your good intentions and I do hope moderate Turks get more rights out of their Government, I just hope this does not come at the expense of your Armenian citizens.


                  Albatros

                  Hey thanks for the Website. I heard a few days back that such a counter petition will start. Wow, look at those numbers go up baby. The Turks are speaking.

                  Anybody know the numbers on the original petition is up to? I can’t seem to be able to open that website.

                  I can't open it either. I'm sure this is not a coincedence.

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                  • Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
                    It is about 15000. But somebody is trying to hack it. Especially some institutions...
                    ...and they are succeeding.

                    Anyway, numbers are less important concerning this petition than the amount of publicity it engenders.

                    This is what the half-brained Turkish nationalist don't understand.

                    Let them hack untl their heart is content.

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                    • Let's see, if I was a Turkish Armenian.....

                      I don’t think I would be happy either when certain Turks are using the AG issue as a tool to gain more freedom in Turkey, which Gull would love to use as a strategic tool later against official AG recognition.
                      Edoman, you seriously flew down from heaven . This is EXACTLY what I was trying to say, couldn't have said it better.

                      Also I would NOT be very excited about pissing off the Ultra Nationalist racist Turks and giving them an excuse, who as we know will not hesitate to harm Armenians. But then again I have never been to Turkey, let alone live there; what the hell do I know.
                      Yeah, but still something's rushing through the minds of Turks against all this and I'm sure they have something in their hat and I KNOW it ain't a freakin rabbit, lol.

                      Arda, I don’t doubt your good intentions and I do hope moderate Turks get more rights out of their Government, I just hope this does not come at the expense of your Armenian citizens.
                      Nothing more to add.

                      Hey thanks for the Website. I heard a few days back that such a counter petition will start. Wow, look at those numbers go up baby. The Turks are speaking.
                      And the nationalists are preparing . Nothing comes free.
                      THE ROAD TO FREEDOM AND JUSTICE IS A LONG ONE!

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