Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

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KanadaHye replied

05-31-2009, 09:33 AM
Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

Originally posted by Palavra View Post

realy? tell me what can you do? dream?

Absolutely not. I will not give power to my enemy because of my feelings or justice.

In 1999, a class action suit against New York Life Insurance company was filed by the descendents of those that survived the unfortunate events of 1915 under the rule of the Ottoman Empire during WWI. The company was sued specifically for not being forthcoming in paying up for policies of those killed in mutual massacres. The suit was settled in 2004 for $20 million, and payouts began to individuals and some Armenian charitable organizations.

Where did this "money" come from?
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Palavra replied

05-31-2009, 09:30 AM
Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

Definitely will not do what your state has done.

realy? tell me what can you do? dream?

I'm going forward and say that we should pay for Ottoman citizen Armenians who lost houses, belongings etc.

Absolutely not. I will not give power to my enemy because of my feelings or justice.
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KanadaHye replied

05-31-2009, 09:28 AM
Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

Originally posted by firat View Post

I'm going forward and say that we should pay for Ottoman citizen Armenians who lost houses, belongings etc. Same applies for the greeks that lost their houses after 1955.

But, just put yourself into my shoes (not sure about the usage of this idiom, is it correct? ), who accepts to give half of the country?

I would have to agree that no country has been formed without the intial stage of violence or take over of land by force. It would be difficult to foresee those in power just give up land without a benefit in return.
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firat replied

05-31-2009, 09:17 AM
Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

Originally posted by Gavur View Post

I've been to mine (it was turned into a large school) but most Armenians havent had the chance, althought some tours in recent years have been arranged and not opposed by Turkey to kilikia.That's been very healing, more is needed.

I'm going forward and say that we should pay for Ottoman citizen Armenians who lost houses, belongings etc. Same applies for the greeks that lost their houses after 1955.

But, just put yourself into my shoes (not sure about the usage of this idiom, is it correct? ), who accepts to give half of the country?
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Gavur replied

05-31-2009, 08:57 AM
Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

Originally posted by firat View Post

I think you have the right to get your father's belongings and your houses back within the land which is in the soverignity of Turkey. If this is not happening, some other way of payment must be found. It must be all documented by state archives from the Ottomans or some other estimation method should be used.

I've been to mine (it was turned into a large school) but most Armenians havent had the chance, althought some tours in recent years have been arranged and not opposed by Turkey to kilikia.That's been very healing, more is needed.
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Gavur replied

05-31-2009, 08:54 AM
Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

Originally posted by Palavra View Post

So what will you do with more 10 million people who lives there? It is impossible for armenians to occupy that lands without ethnic cleansing.

Definitely will not do what your state has done.
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firat replied

05-31-2009, 08:45 AM
Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

Originally posted by Anoush View Post

It has been for 94 odd years. I wonder how your buddy buddy brothers the Israelite Jews would have felt if Germany didn't acknowledge the Haulocaust for another 30 years because they didn't want to pay any renumerations to the survivors or to the heirs of the survivors.

They would be too sad I guess but Germany did not have the position of denial. They were devastated. I am being clear, Turkey needs to be devasted or threatened of being devasted to make your dreams the reality.

Originally posted by Anoush View Post

Why not? Why don't you want to talk about humanly justifications? By thinking and doing what your turkey is doing you are robbing OUR humanly rights, OUR humanly sanity, OUR humanly right to our father's belongings, houses, riches and the rightful heirs to our lands from Millenia. Turkey today is still continuing the Genocide of the 2,100.000 Armenians from 94 years ago as the last phase of the Genocide is DENIAL.

I think you have the right to get your father's belongings and your houses back within the land which is in the soverignity of Turkey. If this is not happening, some other way of payment must be found. It must be all documented by state archives from the Ottomans or some other estimation method should be used.

Originally posted by Anoush View Post

The time will come when we shall get our lands back and possibly without a war as it has been legalized and written in the Wilson Arbitration. Do not worry for WE SHALL OVERCOME you or any beasts and wolves that surrounds us... WE SHALL OVERCOME!!!!!!

Ok, I admit I read reports of various think-tanks, I try to follow foreign media not only Armenian but also non-Armenians and non-turks

There is no such think like you say; It is gonna happen bcoz we dream. Every country in this world makes plans to accomplish things.
Am I wrong? People need to dream for sure but they also need to design the method or build the road to make dreams happen.

So what is your method? How will yo do it?

Please tell me so that we can have a good debate. How can I say anything if you say it's gonna happen without wars but don't give me any clue how to make it happen?

So, I dream my country to have a GDP of $2 Trillion. Yes, I dream, I write poems about it. I make everyone in the world read my poems. But for god's sake, how will I do it? I don't know, I just dream. It is stupid.

Tell me how you will make Turkey give half of the country to Armenia?
Should I cry to you to learn the way of doing it?
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Palavra replied

05-31-2009, 08:43 AM
Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

The time will come when we shall get our lands back and possibly without a war

So what will you do with more 10 million people who lives there? It is impossible for armenians to occupy that lands without ethnic cleansing.
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Anoush replied

05-31-2009, 08:19 AM
Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

Originally posted by firat View Post

I am clear but you don't get what I'm saying. Such things can be only accomplished when Turkey has something far greater of importance to lose than Eastern Anatolia or whatever you call it. Is there a such thing, not currently. Is getting engaged into a war a greater lose than Eastern Anatolia, it is not either.

Turkey will not acknowledge any genocide if it leads to lose strategic lands, so simple

It has been for 94 odd years. I wonder how your buddy buddy brothers the Israelite Jews would have felt if Germany didn't acknowledge the Haulocaust for another 30 years because they didn't want to pay any renumerations to the survivors or to the heirs of the survivors.

We are not talking here what is just or unjust or say it good or bad. Any country will care her interests as long as it does not cause death of too many innocent people. Republic of Turkey does not cause something like that.

Why not? Why don't you want to talk about humanly justifications? By thinking and doing what your turkey is doing you are robbing OUR humanly rights, OUR humanly sanity, OUR humanly right to our father's belongings, houses, riches and the rightful heirs to our lands from Millenia. Turkey today is still continuing the Genocide of the 2,100.000 Armenians from 94 years ago as the last phase of the Genocide is DENIAL.

In other words, Turkey loses nothing by not acknowledging a genocide, then why should it? Please do not talk about what is good and fair. Humanity can talk about fairness when US stops killing 1M people in every war they fight. They did this btwn 2003-2009.

The time will come when we shall get our lands back and possibly without a war as it has been legalized and written in the Wilson Arbitration. Do not worry for WE SHALL OVERCOME you or any beasts and wolves that surrounds us... WE SHALL OVERCOME!!!!!!
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Gavur replied

05-31-2009, 08:03 AM
Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

Originally posted by firat View Post

This is not something that people in Europe or in US can understand. So, I decided to use them simultaneously long before when I speak to non-Turks. This situation is unique in Turkey.

It is actually kinda funny when people keep blaming governments of Turkey. It does not depend on which government rules, the state structure is most of the time stable.

You guys are right, I stand corrected.
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