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Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

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  • Mukuch
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    Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

    Originally posted by Palavra View Post
    Wilson armenia is nothing more than a dream. Trabzon never had armenians majority and people of trabzon has no relation with armenians or their culture. But It was in wilson armenia.

    By the way, I am from trabzon.

    Don’t you want us to be landlocked do you?
    So Willson thought the same. Specially if concider thatTrabizon never belonged to turks nether, it was an ancient Greek colony....

    By the way who cares where are you from?
    Last edited by Mukuch; 06-01-2009, 07:15 AM.

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  • Mukuch
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    Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

    Originally posted by firat View Post
    Please do not write me anything that has something to do with sentiments but I will be gladly engaged into a geo-strategical debate.

    I think more important than your emotional connections to ancestral lands (churches, homes, etc. ), you are aware that Armenia needs to reach Black Sea to break its isolation and to have a stronger word to say in the Caucaus. I'll be glad to hear from you more about this.)

    I see that you absolutely do not know Armenians. There is nothing more important for us than what you call "emotional connection to ancestral lands" - that is what we call IDENTITY- a thing that turks do not have naturally and trying to create artificially
    We have survived in isolation and will survive as long as it is needed. No one will give up on our "sentiments" just because of access to some ports of secondary importants.

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  • Pedro Xaramillo
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    Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

    Originally posted by Palavra View Post
    That is why you ethnic cleansed azeris.



    You think you are more superior?



    Armenians will not let them live under armenian rule. Armenians lived muslim rule 1000 year but azeris did not survive so long under armenian rule. So do not think you are better than others.

    Anyway do You mean, ROA will accept 10 million Turkish people?



    You still did not answer me. What will you do 10 million people If wilson armenia happens.



    If you want to occupy my land and ethnic cleans my people, You are my enemy. Nothing more nothing less. It is not racism idiot. It is seeing reality.

    Or do you think we will accept our "destiny" peacifully??



    what is american culture?



    I am not aware of this. Why dont you show me some armenian horon and some armenian kemence.



    So what? greece accepted population exchange and so we legally and rightfully have right to own older greece lands. Trabzon. (Even If I accept your words)



    why? My ancestors were owner of these lands(and they called themself, greek,armenian, hitit ext.) so I have every right to own these lands. (and As I said before, It is not your job to interest whatever I call myself.)

    I changed my nationality and religion. So what, armenians were neither urartus nor stayed loyal to their older religions.
    Prove this fangled Azeri Genocide and ethnic cleansing, offer me one non biased source wth actual fact, otherwise I will disregard it, you posts are merely ad hominem insults, either offer a valid article or come up with fresh material

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  • Mukuch
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    Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

    Originally posted by firat View Post
    I already have my own proud state which is Turkey.
    What is there to be proud of?

    How democratic and wonderful it is? Or how much the minorities (Kurds) are respected there? Great democracy (military control of state).Unlimited freedom of speach (article 301).Or maybe by glorious past (endless history of crimes against humanity)? Or maybe by the reach cultural heritage (Destruction of anything what was over limit of understanding of nomads)? etc...etc...etc...
    LOL

    Your country is a big Zoo and if you are proud of it than you must be living in a cage.
    Last edited by Mukuch; 06-01-2009, 05:29 AM.

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  • Mukuch
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    Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

    Originally posted by firat View Post
    People on this land do not ask why their sons died but rather they say "vatan sağ olsun" (long live the homeland).

    Isnt that just stupid? )

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  • KanadaHye
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    Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

    Originally posted by hipeter924 View Post
    A culture that wasn't made up from weird fantasies and dictatorship. Instead Armerican Culture is something these days we call democracy, republic and religious freedom.
    American culture? I thought it was slavery, eating hotdogs, hamburgers... and dancing to YMCA to express your freedom. Americans seem to confuse freedom of religion and freedom from religion... which is why they are left powerless against government.

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  • Sako
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    If you want to occupy my land and ethnic cleans my people, You are my enemy. Nothing more nothing less. It is not racism idiot. It is seeing reality.

    Or do you think we will accept our "destiny" peacifully??
    WOA, WOA, relax everyone. Ethnic cleanse you? We're not like your grandfathers, Turk. I suggest you change your tone.

    why? My ancestors were owner of these lands(and they called themself, greek,armenian, hitit ext.) so I have every right to own these lands. (and As I said before, It is not your job to interest whatever I call myself.)
    Your ancestors rode in to our lands and BEGGED our people including the Greeks, Iranians, Persians, etc. to educate them when we should've simply chased them back to where they came from. After we did, they started multiplying like ants and started taking control. They weren't smart ... they just had lot's of manpower. This is the secret to your nations success! Your nation is only 800 something years old. Armenia is over 5000 years old. Where were you, one might ask, when we ruled? Somewhere in Mongolia? You don't even know your own history, Palavra. I'm not trying to dis you but if you dis my people, may God have mercy on your soul!
    Last edited by Sako; 06-01-2009, 04:08 AM.

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  • hipeter924
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    Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

    Originally posted by Palavra View Post
    That is why you ethnic cleansed azeris.
    Nope. Azeri's declared war on Armenians and tried to ethnic cleanse and wipe out Armenians. They obviously copied directly from the old Armenian Genocide communiques when planning the next Armenian Genocide. The one to finish the Armenian's off. It failed though. The unthinkable happened...the Azeri's lost and were kicked out of some of the territory old boy Stalin and friends had stolen from Armenians the first time.
    Originally posted by Palavra View Post
    You think you are more superior?
    Morally superior. I say so. Turks Ethnic cleansed and Genocided, then helped Azeri's ethnic cleanse and kill Armenians. Go Turkey! Yeah! Lets just ignore all the people's lives we destroyed why don't we?
    Originally posted by Palavra View Post
    Armenians will not let them live under armenian rule. Armenians lived muslim rule 1000 year but azeris did not survive so long under armenian rule. So do not think you are better than others.
    Actually many Armenians know what atheism is like, having lived under it during Soviet times. So they are far more tolerant for other religions, than Turks and Azeri's who have been taught and bashed over centuries into believing nothing but Islam and religious prejudice.
    Originally posted by Palavra View Post
    If you want to occupy my land and ethnic cleans my people, You are my enemy. Nothing more nothing less. It is not racism idiot. It is seeing reality.
    You can try and make that claim when you stop ethnic cleansing and wiping out Kurds.
    Originally posted by Palavra View Post
    what is american culture?
    A culture that wasn't made up from weird fantasies and dictatorship. Instead Armerican Culture is something these days we call democracy, republic and religious freedom.
    Originally posted by Palavra View Post
    So what? greece accepted population exchange and so we legally and rightfully have right to own older greece lands.
    Trabzon. (Even If I accept your words)
    How touching. I am sure to tell my old classics teacher from Cyprus how you think Cyprus is Turkish. You invaded and stole half of it even though most of its population was Greek. Admit it. Turks never learn.
    Originally posted by Palavra View Post
    why? My ancestors were owner of these lands(and they called themself, greek,armenian, hitit ext.) so I have every right to own these lands. (and As I said before, It is not your job to interest whatever I call myself.)
    The fact is that Armenians and Greeks have existed on their lands far longer than Turks. Turks are a modern invention compared to Armenians and Greeks who have existed since ancient times. So you can lay claim, but Armenians and Greeks have a far stronger claim.
    Originally posted by Palavra View Post
    I changed my nationality and religion. So what, armenians were neither urartus nor stayed loyal to their older religions.
    Actually Armenians have believed in Christianity since ancient times and developed the first Christian church, whereas you only recently converted to Islam. Bye. Bye.
    Last edited by hipeter924; 06-01-2009, 02:36 AM.

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  • firat
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    Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

    Originally posted by Palavra View Post

    My ancestors were owner of these lands(and they called themself, greek,armenian, hitit ext.) so I have every right to own these lands
    Good point.

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  • Palavra
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    Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

    Our make up is very different, through the years we have known to the world to be civilised and very constructive, not destructive.
    That is why you ethnic cleansed azeris.

    Once we occupy our anscestral's lands from Millenia perhaps we can teach the turkish people to be and act more civilized even if they believe in a different religion.
    You think you are more superior?

    And I am sure that Armenians will not make a requirement for the turkish people to pay extra more taxes like the Ottomans did to the Armenians on or before 1915.
    Armenians will not let them live under armenian rule. Armenians lived muslim rule 1000 year but azeris did not survive so long under armenian rule. So do not think you are better than others.

    Anyway do You mean, ROA will accept 10 million Turkish people?

    Anyone or entity that has character first commits what they will not do,the rest
    flies in the wind like you.
    You still did not answer me. What will you do 10 million people If wilson armenia happens.

    Your racist head is peeking again Mr. BS
    If you want to occupy my land and ethnic cleans my people, You are my enemy. Nothing more nothing less. It is not racism idiot. It is seeing reality.

    Or do you think we will accept our "destiny" peacifully??

    What is Turkish culture?
    what is american culture?

    Cultural similarity's we have even today with greeks mostly with pontus greeks (dances music songs legends atc.)
    I am not aware of this. Why dont you show me some armenian horon and some armenian kemence.

    Benizelos voted for Wilson's Map cause he know that Pontus state cant be exist it were 2 far away from Greece,Armenia were the right decision to cede it to them he knew what he were doing.
    So what? greece accepted population exchange and so we legally and rightfully have right to own older greece lands. Trabzon. (Even If I accept your words)

    Todays Turks are far away legal owners of those lands,in 94 years u have found the legal owners of those land ha?
    why? My ancestors were owner of these lands(and they called themself, greek,armenian, hitit ext.) so I have every right to own these lands. (and As I said before, It is not your job to interest whatever I call myself.)

    I changed my nationality and religion. So what, armenians were neither urartus nor stayed loyal to their older religions.

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