Vive La France !!!!!

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

This is true. The Genocide card is huge for us and we can really pressure them with that. They are scared of Genocide recognition becoming larger. We cannot afford to lose our leverage with the Genocide issue and we need to push it in all major countries and utilise our strong diaspora. Just look at what the xxxish diaspora has been able to accomplish for their interests. And we need to be better aligned with out anti-Turkic nations like Greece, Cyprus, and Serbia.

Am I reading this right? So you want to use the suffering of our ancestors for political gain? Tell me how are you any different than the zionist who do the same thing? This here makes me sick!

[Mos]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Am I reading this right? So you want to use the suffering of our ancestors for political gain? Tell me how are you any different than the zionist who do the same thing? This here makes me sick!

Should we just forget about pushing for international recognition and justice for Genocide? Should we not demand reparations? This is something we always have to hang over the necks of the Turks until justice is served and it is something they are truly scared of.

[hrai]

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Am I reading this right? So you want to use the suffering of our ancestors for political gain? Tell me how are you any different than the zionist who do the same thing? This here makes me sick!

While you only want to open our borders for commercial gain and endanger Armenians again! (except of course your 500000 in turcey!).

Imagine open borders, kurds flood into Armenia then the turc decides to bomb "kurd terrorists" in Armenia.

Armenia must use all efforts for political gain but that does not include accomodation with the turc.

[hrai]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

How do you feel about Turkey criminalizing saying that what occurred was genocide?

Siggie, I've never been to turcey and never will but I wonder what happens to people who state Genocide for 1915-23?

Your example of free speech from the Baptists was meant to shock and it did. I believe in freedom of speech to a degree, some speech is hate-speech, for example racial slurs, what happens to freedom of speech then? Does the Klu Klux Klan have the "right" to use the word nigger? No, and rightly so.
I also believe in human rights to a degree. A murderer has full human rights under law but in my view the criminal forfeits his/her human rights by their actions.

[KarotheGreat]

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Should we just forget about pushing for international recognition and justice for Genocide? Should we not demand reparations? This is something we always have to hang over the necks of the Turks until justice is served and it is something they are truly scared of.

Where did I say that we should forget about getting international recognition? I said we shouldn't use the suffering of our ancestors for our own political or monetary gains. The only people who should receive something from the Turkish state are the ones that were suffering and their children. Because they are the ones who did the suffering. You or I or anyone else that is living today that wasn't alive back then will never know the suffering of those people.

While you only want to open our borders for commercial gain and endanger Armenians again! (except of course your 500000 in turcey!).

Imagine open borders, kurds flood into Armenia then the turc decides to bomb "kurd terrorists" in Armenia.

Armenia must use all efforts for political gain but that does not include accomodation with the turc.

Yes you are right lets close all our borders because that has worked so well for the last 20 years.
Can you give me one reason why Turks or Kurds would flood Armenia? Is it because there are so many jobs in Armenia? Or is it that life is so much better and easier in Armenia than Eastern-Anatolia? I do not see any reason why a Kurd or a Turk would want to come to Armenia, a country where the population is hostile against them, they don't speak the language, where the state will not provide anything for them. So tell me what is the reason that Turks or Kurds would flood Armenia (except your own paranoia)? Tell me why they aren't flooding all to Nakhijevan? The border there is open but Nakhijevan is being depopulated as we speak.

Siggie, I've never been to turcey and never will but I wonder what happens to people who state Genocide for 1915-23?

Your example of free speech from the Baptists was meant to shock and it did. I believe in freedom of speech to a degree, some speech is hate-speech, for example racial slurs, what happens to freedom of speech then? Does the Klu Klux Klan have the "right" to use the word nigger? No, and rightly so.
I also believe in human rights to a degree. A murderer has full human rights under law but in my view the criminal forfeits his/her human rights by their actions.

So where do you draw the line? I think everyone who believes in a religion is offending me so should it be against the law to talk about your beliefs? Or any one who believes in creationism, should it be against the law to talk about creationism and that god created everything and that evolution is fake? Also anyone who doesn't believe in the same economical ideas as me should be put in jail, every communist and socialist should be put in jail. I am offended by their retarded ideas.

So tell me where do we draw the line? I am a believer in total free speech that is being practised in the US right now, every person has the right to say what ever they want. You idea of isolation offends me and should be against the law don't you agree? In your example of Ku Klux Klan, yes they do have the right to call a black person a niger and the black person has the right to call the KKK what ever they want, or just ignore it. Because that is the beauty of freedom of speech it is not because someone has the right to say something that you should listen to them or even pay attention.


And you do know what we are trying to get recognised right?


You want something to hurt the enemy this is the way to do it:

YEREVAN.- The case Minas Sargsyan v Azerbaijan considered by the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) can serve as a precedent, said Grigory Ayvazyan, head of the Assembly of Azerbaijani Armenians.

He considers that Azerbaijan risks going bankrupt as the total debt to Armenian refugees is over $100 billion.

On January 9 ECHR declared admissible two lawsuits filed by refugees – an Armenian and an Azerbaijani. The applicants are Elkhan Chiragov, former resident of Lachin (territory of security zone around Nagorno-Karabakh Republic) and former resident of Gulistan village of Shahumyan region (presently occupied by Azerbaijan) Minas Sargsyan.

The complaints were selected from over 1,000 similar cases (about 600 filed by Azerbaijani refugees and about 500 from Armenian refugees) last year to serve as a precedent. Both complaints say about loss of property as a result of Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Chiragov’s complaint also includes certain ethnic and religious provisions. The Court is supposed to deliver its judgment on both cases at a later date.

Grigory Ayvazyan told journalists that the choice of two mentioned cases is surprising. Chiragov’s case has no relation to Armenia, as the applicant addresses Nagorno-Karabakh, he added. He stressed that almost every Armenian family of refugees left a house and property in Azerbaijan.

[hrai]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Where did I say that we should forget about getting international recognition? I said we should use the suffering of our ancestors for our own political or monetary gains.

Are you sure ?

Yes you are right lets close all our borders because that has worked so well for the last 20 years.
Can you give me one reason why Turks or Kurds would flood Armenia? Is it because there are so many jobs in Armenia? Or is it that life is so much better and easier in Armenia than Eastern-Anatolia?

One reason : kurds would use Armenia as a haven as they do Iraq. Another reason : to get away from your 500000 Armenians.........

Tell me why they aren't flooding all to Nakhijevan? The border there is open but Nakhijevan is being depopulated as we speak.

They're nor flooding into Nakhichevan because they got rid of Armenians there already.

You idea of isolation offends me and should be against the law don't you agree?

Your continued use of the word "retard" offends me. It indicates your awareness of weakness in your own views and more importantly can offend any reader who may have family members afflicted.

In your example of Ku Klux Klan, yes they do have the right to call a black person a niger and the black person has the right to call the KKK what ever they want, or just ignore it. Because that is the beauty of freedom of speech it is not because someone has the right to say something that you should listen to them or even pay attention.

In Europe use of this word is a crime actually, after all this thread is dedicated to a EUROPEAN law.



Karo, you are a bust flush.

[hrai]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Am I reading this right? So you want to use the suffering of our ancestors for political gain? Tell me how are you any different than the zionist who do the same thing? This here makes me sick!

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Are you sure ?

Spelling mistake nothing more.

One reason : kurds would use Armenia as a haven as they do Iraq. Another reason : to get away from your 500000 Armenians.........

You do realise that the Armenian government can chose who to let in the country. Opening the border doesn't mean that there aren't any checkpoints, or anyone guarding the border or that everyone can enter for free.
It seems that you have no real reason only some conspiracies.

They're nor flooding into Nakhichevan because they got rid of Armenians there already.

So you have no reason only a conspiracy why don't go there right now. Because the Turkish Azeri border is much easier to cross than the Armenian Turkish border ever will be.

Your continued use of the word "retard" offends me. It indicates your awareness of weakness in your own views and more importantly can offend any reader who may have family members afflicted.

I could care less if it offends you or not and you haven't answered my question where we would draw the line.

In Europe use of this word is a crime actually, after all this thread is dedicated to a EUROPEAN law.

Tell me now in which European country is the use of the word a crime. People in Europe use the word more than in the US actually.

Karo, you are a bust flush.

Personal attacks how fun it only shows that you have nothing substantial to say.

[Siggie]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Siggie, I've never been to turcey and never will but I wonder what happens to people who state Genocide for 1915-23?

Your example of free speech from the Baptists was meant to shock and it did. I believe in freedom of speech to a degree, some speech is hate-speech, for example racial slurs, what happens to freedom of speech then? Does the Klu Klux Klan have the "right" to use the word nigger? No, and rightly so.
I also believe in human rights to a degree. A murderer has full human rights under law but in my view the criminal forfeits his/her human rights by their actions.

It's not illegal for them to use the word nigger. Their hate speech is protected actually. What's considered a hate CRIME is actions like lynching people, burning crosses on their lawns, etc.

[Siggie]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Now Sip and Siggie u must learn the differences between what is right and what is wrong , what is just and what not , you guys will make a terrible judges.

And secondly posting idiotic stuff like "THANK GOD FOR DEAD SOLDIERS" and spreading it , you are not just making your self look like an idiot but also the familys and the memory of the soldiers .

Not only that but you are making it against your whole society ,making them look like idiots giving them enough rage to beat the crap out of you.

That's hilarious. Being a judge is about applying the law not making the law.

I'm sure I have more legal training than you. That alone would make me better qualified than you. C'mon your "judicial" understanding is so limited that you think judges decide what's right or wrong. That's confusing the role of legislature with that of the judiciary. That's pretty basic (in the US anyway).

I think you misunderstood the reason why I posted that. As Sip noticed and made light of here...

Hey hey hey ... it's only Siggie that says things like "Thank God For Dead Soldiers." ... Siggie ... I don't know what abhorent means and what you mean by "abhorrent behavior" but SHAME ON YOU for posting such things.

I am not agreeing with what they're saying. Abhorrent means loathsome... maybe that's too "big" a word too? What they do is WRONG, ugly, and disrespectful to say the least. What I am saying though....And this is the part you should pay extra careful attention in order to understand the difference... is that they have the right to say those things. As ugly, hateful, mean, unethical, etc. what they are doing is, they have the right to do it. The first amendment gives them that right. And I do not think that we should infringe on the first amendment, even if it is to shut these horrible horrible people up.


And here... Word of the day.

ab·hor·rent
adj \-ənt\
Definition of ABHORRENT
1
a archaic : strongly opposed b : feeling or showing abhorrence
2
: not agreeable : contrary <a notion abhorrent to their philosophy>
3
: being so repugnant as to stir up positive antagonism <acts abhorrent to every right-minded person>