Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

[Anoush]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

Thats just how it is in the USA to. The democratic government you want Armenia to have does not exist anywhere and never will.

USA is vast, rich and strong - they can afford the corruption and can get away with it -. Our newly liberated country is small, new and neither rich nor strong yet, they can't afford the corruption at this level.

[Armanen]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

Why the question? Are you doubting me? FYI; I happen to know it from relatives and acquaintances.

So you have never seen it with your own eyes?

[Haykakan]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

USA is vast, rich and strong - they can afford the corruption and can get away with it -. Our newly liberated country is small, new and neither rich nor strong yet, they can't afford the corruption at this level.

Corruption is more widespread in the usa then in Armenia and it effects the usa far worst. The corrupt elements in usa society are going to bring about its downfall while the corrupt elements in Armenia are strengthening the sate. Anush your outlook on world events is much too simplistic, the world is a complicated place and understanding it is not always easy because its not all in black and white.

[Anoush]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

So you have never seen it with your own eyes?

Why? Does someone has to put it in my eye to make it see the reality of it or shouldn't I trust my uncle and aunt nor friends and numerous posts in here and elsewhere and in the newspapers too?

[Anoush]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

Corruption is more widespread in the usa then in Armenia and it effects the usa far worst. The corrupt elements in usa society are going to bring about its downfall while the corrupt elements in Armenia are strengthening the sate. Anush your outlook on world events is much too simplistic, the world is a complicated place and understanding it is not always easy because its not all in black and white.

You're claiming to be a matematician than start counting and using that logic of yours. Of course corruption has effected USA more especially lately when it caught up with them; even though the US has been for 233 years a huge industrially rich country, but in most part it has been democratic, rich and stable for years. Ours is only 19 years old, not yet stable, much poorer, small and landlocked. We cannot afford the corruption in the level of government that they have. You're outlook is one sided Russianisitic, not Armenofil.

[Catharsis]

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A president from spiurk is not gona get elected in Armenia. There is too big of a rift between the diasora and Hayastan today as is evident in this forum. This is a dangerous rift and being closed minded makes it wider yet.

The largest protest against the Turkish protocols took place in Yerevan. It is actually the Turkish government that spreads this so-called "rift" message. The Armenian people are overwhelmingly united, it is a whole different matter when it comes to the Serzh Sargsyan regime and the Armenian people.

[Catharsis]

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funny the last sentence..

diplomatic relations with no open borders. we gave away the genocide for nothing.now we need to give away karabakh.
after we give away karabakh we probably still need to give sthg away

Ilham Aliev made no bones about it during the Turkic countries meeting in Nakhichevan. Not only they consider Armenian Artsakh as Turkic but have also openly staked claim to the Syunik province of Armenia - which along with Artsakh is the only wedge that stands on the path of the pan-Turkic union.

[Catharsis]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

I still maintain that Armenians in the Motherland are somewhat different yes; but not day and night different. No. Armenians whether in the Diaspora or in the Motherland still feel quite similar and attached to their land. Whether in here or in there, we all love our culture, our heritage, our language and we need our Armenian sweet land to continue our Armenianness. We have done it this far, we really came along and we (all of us) are not going to lose the battle. We shall continue to survive!

Believe me, our commonalities outweigh all the differences. Most of these ideas of division on psychological level have been placed by our enemies, most notably the Turkish government, so please do not repeat these divisive memes.

[Davo88]

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Yes, the Turkish government as well as the Soviets before.

[Haykakan]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

You're claiming to be a matematician than start counting and using that logic of yours. Of course corruption has effected USA more especially lately when it caught up with them; even though the US has been for 233 years a huge industrially rich country, but in most part it has been democratic, rich and stable for years. Ours is only 19 years old, not yet stable, much poorer, small and landlocked. We cannot afford the corruption in the level of government that they have. You're outlook is one sided Russianisitic, not Armenofil.

Im no mathmatition but i do teach Algebra. As for curruption, for the time being is unavoidable. Armenia is a dependent state and for now it has no options. My outlook is not sided in any way, i am a realist, i make my decisions based on reality and nothing else. As much as people like to rip on this government, a realist will say ok let me analyze this objectively and see what have the kocharian-sarkisian rule gotten for Armenia since they took over by overthrowing LTP. The facts are that they inherited a wartorn nation which had economicaly collapsed, was losing the war and was being blockaded on all sides. Under such dreadfull circumstances they won the war, made huge advances economicaly and seem to be succeeding in ending Armenias isolation as well. You dont need to be a mathematition or a algebra teacher to realize these are incredible accomplishments yet despite these accomplishments they are being labled all kinds of hidious things by mostly diasporans who dont know what Armenia was like when they inherited it, nor do they care about what it took to get it to where it is today nor do they care about where it is headed. All you and most others see and say is protocals which give up nothing we have and based on this you ignore all else and label these people davachan. Your forseeing doom and gloom from a organization that has brought nothing but good things to a country that had no chance of being where it is today without these guys. For me it is simply comical to read the conclusion and deductions being made "armenia is doomed" "davachanner" "turckey is going to take over"... It is true that Russia controls Armenia and that Armenia is not nor can it be truely independent today, yes i do appreciate russias protection, it has allowed us to exist in a situation where we had no chance of exicting, and if that makes me a russophile in your mind then so be it. You want the russians out? ok so whats your alternative? A spyurk president you say? Who is going to support this spyurk president? where is he going to get his power? why would the people of armenia choose a outsider to run their country? How would armenias only protector react to such a situation? You really need to think about these questions, they are harder to answer then you think. The world is not as simple as you guys make it out to be, especialy for Hayastan. Instead of being a uninvolved critic do something useful with yourself, buy a ticket go there and see the place for a change instead of playing armchair quarterback and proclaiming yourself the next tom brady.