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Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

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  • Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

    Originally posted by Army View Post
    facts and "maybe" are different vegetables
    Facts? I'll give you facts, most of Turkeys free academia (not contracted by the state to deny) acknowledges Armenian Genocide, what of it?
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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    • Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

      Originally posted by Gavur View Post
      I'm not the one harping over and over on the fact that we don't live in Eastern Armenia (just like the Turks,BTW) it came to a point one got the impression we had to apologize or something for not living there and we couldn't speak about our true concerns without that qualifier.I think you overdid it.But I like it guys like you or Turks take an indefensible stand and are aggressive, it brings out the best in me.
      The fact still stands that we could of done better then this toilet paper of an agreement and they forced us into it KNOWING it was a dangerous affair. This international urgency to insincerely kiss and make up cannot be justified as a reason to jeopardise the Armenian State and its people.Since there's no guarantee for today's geopolitical conditions are lasting.Tell me now, if I'm emotional or making xxxx up, if anything, your favorite so-called protokol is comprised of made up shiat.
      O ok, your emotional and making up things.
      Hayastan or Bust.

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      • Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

        Originally posted by Gavur View Post
        Facts? I'll give you facts, most of Turkeys free academia (not contracted by the state to deny) acknowledges Armenian Genocide, what of it?
        No no, I meant your "maybe" of a possible denial of the commission.

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        • Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

          Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
          O ok, your emotional and making up things.
          Well as a one track math person That would look emotional to you dear opposite.In real life that's called a successful debate.
          Last edited by Gavur; 10-12-2009, 03:42 PM. Reason: I forgot to put my favorite smiley, waving you byeeeee....
          "All truth passes through three stages:
          First, it is ridiculed;
          Second, it is violently opposed; and
          Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

          Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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          • Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

            Originally posted by Army View Post
            No no, I meant your "maybe" of a possible denial of the commission.
            ohhh vegetables, is it like from a cucumber to cucumber or shaft to shaft there are differences ?
            sorry if i didn't understand.
            "All truth passes through three stages:
            First, it is ridiculed;
            Second, it is violently opposed; and
            Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

            Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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            • Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

              Originally posted by Gavur View Post


              Well as a one track math person That would look emotional to you dear opposite.In real life that's called a successful debate.
              The only successful debate you ever had was with a stop sign.
              Hayastan or Bust.

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              • Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

                Originally posted by Anoush View Post
                Why? Does someone has to put it in my eye to make it see the reality of it or shouldn't I trust my uncle and aunt nor friends and numerous posts in here and elsewhere and in the newspapers too?

                My point, Anoush jan, is that you should go to Armenia as soon as possible and see things for yourself rather than listening to what others say. This is the point I brought up in another thread; too many Armenians in the Diaspora who have never been to Armenia are jumping to overly emotional conclusions. This seems ironic to me, since I would expect those same Armenians to have at least visited the Homeland once in their lifetime, if not more often.

                And this is not directed at you, since you said you have been to Armenia.
                Last edited by Armanen; 10-12-2009, 05:22 PM.
                For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                • Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

                  Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
                  You guys are terrible at debating. You cannot support your arguments rationaly thus you devolve into insults and emotional appeals. Grow up you guys, this is just silly. If my arguments are so silly and wrong then why dont you prove me wrong instead of reacting this way?

                  They have used up the talking points the ANCA sent them.
                  For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                  to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                  http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                  • Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

                    Originally posted by Army View Post
                    This is called Win-Win strategy. In diplomatics, instead of causing small 'Cold Wars' with other states; solving the problems in a way that boths sides could gain is a better solution. And thats currently the main ideology behind the Turkish Foreign Affairs. Their new Minister of Foreign Affairs is a Prof. known as the Turkish doyen of this Win-Win strategy. He is not even a parliament, he has no political background, but they made him the Minister. That clearly shows us that Ankara is strictly following that ideology.
                    I agree, the Turks are sitting on the fence and mirroring European foreign policy. Progress in the foreign affairs arena also improves Turkeys international standing. However your average Turk is obviously more worried about keeping a roof over his head and Turkey's political leadership will be under domestic pressure to demonstrate progress on the economic front.

                    Few conflicts are intractable and it's a mistake to be entirely clinical. Improved regional security should lead to far greater investment, more extensive trade ties and possible collaborative inter-state infrastructure projects. Such as logistical corridors and energy/pipeline networks.

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                    • Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

                      Originally posted by Armanen View Post
                      They have used up the talking points the ANCA sent them.
                      To be truthful, no offence, but I have never seen anyone that talked so much to say very little as Haykagan and Armenagan ! except for one person maybe, the "Armenian".
                      "All truth passes through three stages:
                      First, it is ridiculed;
                      Second, it is violently opposed; and
                      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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