All things related to Hryastan

[KanadaHye]

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Someone needs to tell Israel that they don't speak for us nor do we need them to aid our plight 95 years after the fact.

[Haykakan]

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We live in a very dangerous world and Armenia is in the most dangerous spot in this world. This could explode into some major crisis and we will be in the middle of it again. Sometimes i wish Armenia was in a more peaceful part of the world. Our countries location is the reason for its demise so many times over.

[Alexandros]

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Hello, Turkey?

By AARON SCHOCK

06/06/2010

The Turkish foreign minister recently called the flotilla episode ‘Turkey’s 9-11.’

There are some vital points being overlooked in the international coverage of the Israeli response to the Gaza flotilla, and a mountain of hypocrisy that needs to be exposed. Egypt, the Palestinian Authority (PA) and every Arab foreign minister agreed that Hamas not be allowed to control the southern border crossing with Egypt after the terror group violently seized control of Gaza in 2007.

Yes, Egypt has blockaded Gaza under Hamas’s control as much as the Israelis have – and with the widespread support of Arab governments and the PA. Where’s the outrage?

Palestinians are supposedly experiencing a humanitarian crisis, and yet no Arab or Islamic government has demanded Egypt open its border with Gaza. Hello, Turkey?

When Israel pulled out completely from the Gaza Strip in 2005, it imposed no blockade. It was only after Hamas began a terror campaign with 10,000 rockets fired at Israeli civilians that Israel and Egypt imposed this blockade – with PA and Arab support. No Arab government wanted a terror-prone Hamas to flourish in Gaza, let alone spread.

ONE NEEDS to ask: If the Kurds or the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) across the Turkish border in Iraq rained 10,000 rockets on Turkish civilians, what would the Turks do? After all, the Kurds have legitimate disputes with the government of Turkey, and have been viciously repressed.

What if international NGOs decided to airlift humanitarian supplies to PKK refugees in Iraq, with those shipments containing civilian equipment that could easily be made into weapons?

Only Turkey recognizes a Turkish republic in Northern Cyprus. What would the Turkish military’s response be if organizations from nations that do not recognize the Turkish occupation of Northern Cyprus decided to break that military occupation?

Again, regarding Turkish hypocrisy, the prime minister of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, received the international pariah who leads Sudan – President Omar Bashir – a man who has committed genocide. The International Criminal Court has an arrest warrant out for him on charges of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. Not only has the Darfur region of Sudan experienced genocide directed by Bashir and his government, but other regions of southern Sudan have as well. During the visit in mid-August of last year, Erdogan said he did not believe Bashir was guilty of the war crimes for which he was indicted.

And here is how the Turkish prime minister justified that widely disputed contention: “It is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide,” said Erdogan. He deems Bashir innocent. End of story.

THE TURKISH foreign minister recently called the flotilla episode, “Turkey’s 9-11.” Shame on you sir. No American should ever forget such an insult.

This brings me to the reason for the blockade of Gaza, including the Israeli naval blockade. Some of the items on the ships were dual-use, with both civilian and military uses. For instance, there was rebar for a small amount of cement.

Heaven knows Gaza needs a lot of rebuilding. This tiny amount is insignificant for construction, however, although it’s a nice supply of iron to be converted into weapons.

If the Israeli naval blockade ends does anyone really think Hamas won’t be importing a wide array of weapons? If the ships don’t have to go through checkpoints, arms shipments would resume without a doubt – and so would the rocket attacks.

What nation would sit back and allow arms to pour into a neighboring territory that will certainly be used in more attacks on its people? If the blockade ends, arms shipments into Gaza will resume, and rocket firings into will Israel resume. It’s that simple.

None of the United Nations peacekeeping organizations and observers has kept out the sophisticated weapons imported by Hizbullah into southern Lebanon – despite absolute UN assurances to do so. No similar observers are capable of standing in the way of Iranian arms shipments to Hamas either. Only Israeli and Egyptian checkpoints can do that.

Again, I ask, would Turkey allow similar organizations to ship uninspected cargo to the suffering PKK Kurds in Turkey and Iraq? Hamas needs to negotiate with its estranged brothers in the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, and commit themselves to peace and recognition of Israel. Then peace and prosperity will prevail.

Let’s get the facts straight and the hypocrisy exposed as this debate proceeds.


The writer, a Republican, represents Illinois’ 18th Congressional District. He is the youngest member of Congress.

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[Haykakan]

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Hello, Turkey?

By AARON SCHOCK

06/06/2010

The Turkish foreign minister recently called the flotilla episode ‘Turkey’s 9-11.’

There are some vital points being overlooked in the international coverage of the Israeli response to the Gaza flotilla, and a mountain of hypocrisy that needs to be exposed. Egypt, the Palestinian Authority (PA) and every Arab foreign minister agreed that Hamas not be allowed to control the southern border crossing with Egypt after the terror group violently seized control of Gaza in 2007.

Yes, Egypt has blockaded Gaza under Hamas’s control as much as the Israelis have – and with the widespread support of Arab governments and the PA. Where’s the outrage?

Palestinians are supposedly experiencing a humanitarian crisis, and yet no Arab or Islamic government has demanded Egypt open its border with Gaza. Hello, Turkey?

When Israel pulled out completely from the Gaza Strip in 2005, it imposed no blockade. It was only after Hamas began a terror campaign with 10,000 rockets fired at Israeli civilians that Israel and Egypt imposed this blockade – with PA and Arab support. No Arab government wanted a terror-prone Hamas to flourish in Gaza, let alone spread.

ONE NEEDS to ask: If the Kurds or the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) across the Turkish border in Iraq rained 10,000 rockets on Turkish civilians, what would the Turks do? After all, the Kurds have legitimate disputes with the government of Turkey, and have been viciously repressed.

What if international NGOs decided to airlift humanitarian supplies to PKK refugees in Iraq, with those shipments containing civilian equipment that could easily be made into weapons?

Only Turkey recognizes a Turkish republic in Northern Cyprus. What would the Turkish military’s response be if organizations from nations that do not recognize the Turkish occupation of Northern Cyprus decided to break that military occupation?

Again, regarding Turkish hypocrisy, the prime minister of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, received the international pariah who leads Sudan – President Omar Bashir – a man who has committed genocide. The International Criminal Court has an arrest warrant out for him on charges of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. Not only has the Darfur region of Sudan experienced genocide directed by Bashir and his government, but other regions of southern Sudan have as well. During the visit in mid-August of last year, Erdogan said he did not believe Bashir was guilty of the war crimes for which he was indicted.

And here is how the Turkish prime minister justified that widely disputed contention: “It is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide,” said Erdogan. He deems Bashir innocent. End of story.

THE TURKISH foreign minister recently called the flotilla episode, “Turkey’s 9-11.” Shame on you sir. No American should ever forget such an insult.

This brings me to the reason for the blockade of Gaza, including the Israeli naval blockade. Some of the items on the ships were dual-use, with both civilian and military uses. For instance, there was rebar for a small amount of cement.

Heaven knows Gaza needs a lot of rebuilding. This tiny amount is insignificant for construction, however, although it’s a nice supply of iron to be converted into weapons.

If the Israeli naval blockade ends does anyone really think Hamas won’t be importing a wide array of weapons? If the ships don’t have to go through checkpoints, arms shipments would resume without a doubt – and so would the rocket attacks.

What nation would sit back and allow arms to pour into a neighboring territory that will certainly be used in more attacks on its people? If the blockade ends, arms shipments into Gaza will resume, and rocket firings into will Israel resume. It’s that simple.

None of the United Nations peacekeeping organizations and observers has kept out the sophisticated weapons imported by Hizbullah into southern Lebanon – despite absolute UN assurances to do so. No similar observers are capable of standing in the way of Iranian arms shipments to Hamas either. Only Israeli and Egyptian checkpoints can do that.

Again, I ask, would Turkey allow similar organizations to ship uninspected cargo to the suffering PKK Kurds in Turkey and Iraq? Hamas needs to negotiate with its estranged brothers in the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, and commit themselves to peace and recognition of Israel. Then peace and prosperity will prevail.

Let’s get the facts straight and the hypocrisy exposed as this debate proceeds.


The writer, a Republican, represents Illinois’ 18th Congressional District. He is the youngest member of Congress.

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Althoug it is unintentional, this article does a good job of showing how similar the turcky and isreal are. They deserve each other.

[KanadaHye]

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Althoug it is unintentional, this article does a good job of showing how similar the turcky and isreal are. They deserve each other.

There is a lot of evidence pointing towards the notion that Zionists created the state of Turkey in order to manipulate the oil fields that exist outside the boundaries of Turkey.

The Balfour_Declaration_of_1917 makes this notion pretty clear.

[Haykakan]

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Here is a zionist analizing the turckish stuation. While his analasys is the usual self involved version of a typical zionist, he does make some interesting points about turckys islamic government and that countries drift into islam. For me it is hard to say if a islamicTurcky will be any better for Armenia or worst. I much prefer a secular government myself but thats if i wish for that country to do well but this is turcky we are talking about. Anyways i will shut up now and let you chek it out

http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg323296.html

[Haykakan]

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Here is another article by a Armenian author who also brings up interesting points but somehow in the end he concludes we have little to lose which is beyond my comprehension.

GAZA, ISRAEL, TURKEY, & WE
BY GAREN YEGPARIAN

asbarez
Friday, June 4th, 2010

Israel screwed up in its response to the ships attempting to break
its blockade of Gaza. Anything it might have gained by preventing the
entry of material it chooses to exclude from Gaza is far outweighed
by the international opprobrium it has garnered. But this is not at
issue except by extreme spinners of pro-Israel policy. What's more
interesting for Armenians is Turkey's role and position in all this,
and what doors are open to us as a result.

Certainly, no one doubts that Turkey's, and its ruling AK Party's,
involvement in all this is nothing but a cynical, Machiavellian,
realpolitik ploy in its devilishly competent Foreign Minister's bag
of tricks to expand the genocidal state's international stature,
and particularly among the peoples and states of the Arab and Moslem
worlds. The Turkish group cooperating with the efforts may also have
connections to unsavory outfits, but more on this if and when I can get
details. I'm told it was very well organized, funded, and delivered the
biggest ship in the relief flotilla, which suggests the possibility of
state involvement. It was also the ship on which the violence occurred.

Erdogan's and Davutoglu's statements have received wide coverage.

Clearly, this is part of their neo-Ottomanist efforts to become
a player in the Islamic world, much of which shuns Turkey for the
brutality and misrule heaped upon fellow Moslems under Ottoman rule
and Kemalism's anti-Islamic bent. Official Ankara seems to be making
the calculation that there's more to be gained by clashing with Israel
than further developing a decades-long positive relationship.

Among the fruits of the positive relationship has been help in the
halls of U.S. power, fighting passage of the Genocide resolution, and
other anti-Armenian efforts emanating from Azerbaijan and Turkey. The
question is, after the last few incidents, are those xxxish-lobby
elements in the U.S. that have worked against us (and even against
their more right-minded and conscience driven colleagues) ready to come
around? Do they see yet that there's no long term benefit to supporting
a genocide-denying state? Are they irate enough to downgrade or sever
the relationship? It seems to me this is a very opportune moment for
our efforts in the U.S. it's time for some renewed outreach.

Simultaneously, our colleagues in the Middle East should be conveying
to their governments how untrustworthy, back-stabbing, and cynical
Turkey's recent ploys demonstrate it to be. On the non-Diaspora front,
Armenia's government should be playing up similar themes with their
negotiating partners, whether the issue is economics, Artzakh, or
actual relations with Turkey.

But this is all short term gain. If Turkey's efforts bear fruit, then
we will have serious problems in the long term. Remember where Armenia
is situated. If Turkey pulls Iran into its orbit, it's a problem. If
the Arab countries become enamored of Turkey's pseudo-heroics, our
community's in there may become constrained. They may even get some
traction in Europe with their faux-humanitarianism.

It is imperative and timely to publicize the irony (and the underlying
temerity) of Turkish comments about occupation (think Armenia and
Kurdistan) and human rights abuses (think coddling Darfur's butcher,
abuse of its own minorities, massacres, etc.

We have to play very hard. For the last three centuries, the Ottoman
Empire/Turkey has survived through very skillful diplomacy, playing
off against one another powers far greater than it, using Asia Minor's
pivotal geography. They're using our lands to our, and the world's,
detriment. Since we've been deprived of statehood for all but the last
century or so (and a very shaky, mostly Soviet-subservient statehood
at that) we don't have the same depth of diplomatic/political history,
experience, skills, and culture to draw on. But this is a perfect
time to learn by doing and pushing to the edge. There's not much to
be lost, but tremendous potential for gain.

I hope we, the Diaspora and Armenia's government (especially after
the protocols fiasco), are up to the challenge. Let's expose Turkey
for the fraud that it is!

[Haykakan]

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Yet another take on this situation. This one sounds interesting.

GAZA INCIDENT WAS A MANEUVER PLOTTED BY TURKEY AND ISRAEL TO DECEIVE IRAN

PanARMENIAN.Net
June 8, 2010 - 14:06 AMT 09:06 GMT

Russian-Turkish cooperation can be described as merely economic,
according to Turkologist Artak Shakaryan.

"Publications in Turkish media are the evidence of it. All issues
covered refer to economy exclusively," Shakaryan told reporters on
June 8.

As to the recent events in Gaza, he said that these are not linked
to Armenia anyway. "It was a maneuver plotted by Turkey and Israel
to deceive Iran, with a purpose to transfer the center of Islamic
world from Tehran to Ankara," he said.

"After the parliamentary elections in Turkey, relations with Israel
will improve," Shakaryan said, adding that the stronger is Turkey,
the greater will be its pressure on Armenia.

[Davo88]

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It is unlikely that the flotilla incident was forged by both Israel and Turkey. It would have been likely only if Israeli-Turkish relations were excellent, but they were not. Ever since the current Turkish government is in place, Erdogan never missed an occasion to criticize Israel, most notably after the war in Gaza.

To say that the incident was forged by Turkey as a trap against Israel, however, does make sense because this gives the Turks yet another reason to criticize Israel and strengthen its position in the Islamic world.

[Haykakan]

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It is unlikely that the flotilla incident was forged by both Israel and Turkey. It would have been likely only if Israeli-Turkish relations were excellent, but they were not. Ever since the current Turkish government is in place, Erdogan never missed an occasion to criticize Israel, most notably after the war in Gaza.

To say that the incident was forged by Turkey as a trap against Israel, however, does make sense because this gives the Turks yet another reason to criticize Israel and strengthen its position in the Islamic world.

That author states that the whole rift between isreal and turcky is a ploy, including the drifting apart parts before the flotila incident. This isnt all that far fetched but it is a rather complicated plan. I am not saying it is true but it is a interesting possibility.