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Do you think Turkey has become a regional Leader?

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  • #21
    Re: Do you think Turkey has become a regional Leader?

    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    Well actually Turkey's blockade/closure of border is an illegal act in accordance with international law. On top of that, their pre-conditions on open the border makes it impossible for any thing to be done. Plus in establish official ties with Turkey we would accept that Western Armenia is part of Turkey, when in fact there are repirations to be made in that regard, as the native Armenian populace of Western Armenia was illegally cleansed from their lands.
    So, what do you suggest as the solution ? You want relations to be normalised only if Turkey gives land to Armenia ?

    Acknowledgment of the genocide might (and maybe should) bring about compensation but borders shouldn't/cannot change. I think you are adopting a very nationalist line.

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    • #22
      Re: Do you think Turkey has become a regional Leader?

      Originally posted by Mos View Post
      Yeah I don't want Turks flooding Armenian either. I much rather Russian/Iranian businesses dominate Armenia rather than Turkish. If only Georgia mended relations with Russia, everything would be so much easier. If we had border with Russia, that would be heaven.



      Because they don't want to anger nationalistic voices inside Turkey by angering Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan's main leverage on Armenia is the Turkish blockade. And I'm sure Azerbaijan gives something in return for Turky's policy in this matter.
      That's racist.

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      • #23
        Re: Do you think Turkey has become a regional Leader?

        Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
        I am curious as to why the Turkish government is against openning the border without any preconditions....you would think it would be to there advantage, even though it would be Armenian government that would get the most economic advantage at first, but geopolitically it would be to Turkey's advantage, would it not?

        I can think of only a few reasons why they would choose not to but those are wild theories.
        Nationalist madness is the reason.

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        • #24
          Re: Do you think Turkey has become a regional Leader?

          Originally posted by Antifascist View Post
          That's racist.
          You can label it what you want, I just don't want Turks or Kurds in my country. Last time we were in same country with them, they massacred us.

          Originally posted by Antifascist View Post
          So, what do you suggest as the solution ? You want relations to be normalised only if Turkey gives land to Armenia ?

          Acknowledgment of the genocide might (and maybe should) bring about compensation but borders shouldn't/cannot change. I think you are adopting a very nationalist line.
          Well a start will be a full apology by the Turkish state including financial compensation like Germany did. I would like to see the Turkish leaders bow their heads at Genocide Memorial in Yerevan. I think Land compensations can be negotiated afterwards. Of course what Turkey is doing in the first place is illegal, and there should be more international condemnation of that practice.
          Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
          ---
          "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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          • #25
            Re: Do you think Turkey has become a regional Leader?

            Originally posted by Antifascist View Post
            So, what do you suggest as the solution ? You want relations to be normalised only if Turkey gives land to Armenia ?

            Acknowledgment of the genocide might (and maybe should) bring about compensation but borders shouldn't/cannot change. I think you are adopting a very nationalist line.
            This comment is completely wrong. It should read:acknowledgment of the GENOCIDE absolutely bring compensation (not maybe).
            Your next comment(but borders shouldn't/cannot change) is completely wrong.
            It should read:those false borders can and will change.
            Your accusation of nationalism at large is both wrong and a diversionary tactic from the truth.
            It was not nationalism et al that was and is responsible for the Armenian genocide but exclusively Turkish
            Nationalism.
            The changing of the name of a city that has a longer recorded history than the word Turk , that has been changed in recent times was done not by any nationalist but exclusively Turkish nationalists for Turkish national interests.
            To bring all nationalist into the conversation of the AG is a diversionary tactic to draw attention away from the exclusive responsibility and culpability of Turks.
            I'm still waiting fo how you became "more sensitive" reply.
            I have a great deal more to say but little time now.
            Artashes
            HARK

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            • #26
              Re: Do you think Turkey has become a regional Leader?

              Armenia has two wings. Each wing has a name. The name of one wing is: Those that remain.
              The name of the other wing is: Diaspora.
              It is difficult to fly with one wing.
              When the other wing returns HOME --- it's over
              Artashes
              HARK

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              • #27
                Re: Do you think Turkey has become a regional Leader?

                Also--- turky will not be giving land to Armenia, they will be returning Armenian lands to Armenia that were
                obtained by murdering the inhabitants and stealing their lands.
                Artashes
                HARK

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                • #28
                  Re: Do you think Turkey has become a regional Leader?

                  Did I forget to mention WHO hands out the wings?
                  Artashes
                  HARK

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                  • #29
                    Re: Do you think Turkey has become a regional Leader?

                    TURKEY, FRANCE TO MEND TIES AFTER GENOCIDE ROW JUNE 22, 2012 01:28 AM

                    The Daily Star
                    June 22 2012
                    Lebanon

                    ANKARA: Turkey has agreed to restore all ties with France, Foreign
                    Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said Thursday, following a breakdown in
                    relations last year prompted by a simmering dispute over the 1915
                    mass killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks.

                    Ankara canceled all economic, political and military meetings with
                    Paris in December after France's lower house of parliament voted
                    overwhelmingly in favor of a draft law to make it illegal to deny
                    that the killings amounted to genocide.

                    France's highest court overturned the law two months later but the
                    Turkish measures taken against France, which included restrictions on
                    French military aircraft and ships landing or docking on its territory,
                    have remained in place.

                    Speaking live on Turkish television, Davutoglu said Turkey's Prime
                    Minister Tayyip Erdogan had ordered the sanctions to be lifted after
                    a positive meeting with France's new President Francois Hollande at
                    a world summit in Brazil.

                    "The prime minister gave the necessary instructions after meeting with
                    Hollande. Because of this new attitude from France, these sanctions
                    will be dropped," he said during an interview with news broadcaster
                    CNN Turk.

                    Davutoglu said he would travel to Paris on July 5 for bilateral
                    meetings where they would discuss taking additional "positive steps"
                    in the future.

                    Relations between the countries became strained under former French
                    President Nicolas Sarkozy and his election defeat earlier this year
                    was viewed in Ankara as a chance to start a new phase.

                    Muslim Turkey accused the former French president, whose UMP party
                    put forward the bill, of trying to win the votes of 500,000 ethnic
                    Armenians in the two-round presidential vote on April 22 and May 6.

                    Sarkozy had also been one of the most vocal opponents of Turkish
                    European Union membership.

                    Armenia, backed by many historians and parliaments, says about 1.5
                    million Christian Armenians were killed in what is now eastern Turkey
                    during World War One in a deliberate policy of genocide ordered by
                    the Ottoman government.

                    Turkey says there was a heavy loss of life on both sides during the
                    fighting in which Armenian partisans supported invading Russian forces.

                    The Ottoman Empire collapsed after the end of the war, but successive
                    Turkish governments and the vast majority of Turks feel the charge
                    of genocide is a direct insult to their nation.
                    Hayastan or Bust.

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                    • #30
                      Re: Do you think Turkey has become a regional Leader?

                      Turkey is the springboard of American and European interests in the middle east. With Greece in economic turmoil and Turkey's economy being artificially sustained, it is more confident about it's western front and can be used to concentrate in Middle Eastern (and Russian) political affairs.
                      I was taught how to think.

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