Ukraine

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Youkrain

The Frenchmen that died there were fighting for the French imperial dream. I dont plan on pissing on any grave but you are pathetic in trying to imply the imperialists were dying for us especially when history shows quite the opposite to be true-it was us who died because of their unrealistic imperial ambitions. Dear mr Bell your arguments are becoming nothing more then a cat whining in the night-please post again when you have something of substance to write.

First you complain about about the French allegedly promising you something and then not delivering on it.
Then you complain about them trying to deliver on it, but doing it for their own interests rather than your own interests - which rather contradicts your first complaint: if they really were just "fighting for the French imperial dream" rather than for Armenian freedom, why did the French not stay put?

And are you going to complain about Britain not sending enough forces into the Caucasus, and leaving too quickly, because they did not have any "imperial dream" for there at all?

You fail to give reasons why anyone in Britain, France or America would have thought that Armenia was worth the life of a single Briton, or Frenchman, or American. Yet a large number of Britons did die, and a very large number of Frenchmen - but all you can do is pour scorn on their sacrifice.

[Haykakan]

Re: Youkrain

The Frenchmen that died there were fighting for the French imperial dream. I dont plan on pissing on any grave but you are pathetic in trying to imply the imperialists were dying for us especially when history shows quite the opposite to be true-it was us who died because of their unrealistic imperial ambitions. Dear mr Bell your arguments are becoming nothing more then a cat whining in the night-please post again when you have something of substance to write.

Why was Armenia worth the life of a single Frenchman? Yet plenty did die there. And Armenians like you would, today, probably piss on their graves and curse them for not dying for you in even larger numbers. As you said: "pathetic!".

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Youkrain

Remember the French who promised us freedom then left us to die? Armenia has learned her lessons we will not fall prey to false western illusions again only to be massacred because it was all a lie to begin with.

Why was Armenia worth the life of a single Frenchman? Yet plenty did die there. And Armenians like you would, today, probably piss on their graves and curse them for not dying for you in even larger numbers. As you said: "pathetic!".

[Haykakan]

Re: Youkrain

These are generalizations you make based on what if scenarios which most often dont materialize. Armenia has faced these scenarios before and we have experience in this field where we have made many huge mistakes but will hopefully not make them again. Remember the French who promised us freedom then left us to die? Armenia has learned her lessons we will not fall prey to false western illusions again only to be massacred because it was all a lie to begin with. I know better then most the value of independence and would like nothing better then for Armenia to be just that but the truth is Armenia cannot be independent now. If Russia looses her then the Turk will claim her and finish off the genocide once and for all. If you think otherwise you are either fooling yourself or simply you want Armenians dead and gone. Either way it is irrelevant what you want because Armenians have been here before and some of us learned from our mistakes. You dont go seeking independence when you cannot maintain it even if it was handed to you on a silver platter. Mher posted the conversation between senior US representatives on another thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL_GShyGv3o it clearly shows USA as the imperial power behind the crap in Ukrain and it clearly shows that it is using the UN to do its bidding. It also shows that the USA cares not for the people of Ukrain nor of Europe and is after its own imperial ambitions. Now why the hell should Armenia trade one imperialist overlord for another especialy when that other has a tendency of leaving everything it touches far worst off then before it touched it..If mr Bell believes even half of the words he writes then he is naive, a very poor student of history but far more likely a malicious individual who has confessed many times his own hatred of Armenians and would like nothing better then to have the word Armenia erased from the map. It always amazes me that even when faced with irrefutable evidence like the video here, many Armenians still sheepishly wonder into the arms of the big bad wolf with smiles on their faces. Russia has provided what is left of our homeland with security for almost a century and during soviet times Armenia didnt just survive-it THRIVED in every sense of that word. Now idiots say F Russia and join the west but of course they have no clue what the west is-even those who live in the west dont have a clue what it is. If Armenia somehow does manage to be foolish enough to leave the Russian orbit again then it will be her last mistake. The western stooges couldn't care less about us and have demonstrated exactly that a million times but people with rose colored glasses dont think, they dont even see nor live in reality. If you think Russia is a bad imperialist then i guess you have forgotten The Turk and the genocide. If you think Armenia can be independent then let me run some numbers by you-we have probably 2 million people in Armenia and are surrounded by 100,000,000 Turks. You do the math. And if you think the west is going to protect you when all these Turks come to slit your throat and rape your daughter your and idiot. Oh but wait if your reading this you are probably not in Armenia are you..hmm so you have nothing to lose if this really does happen do you..hmm yes i see why so many Armenians jump on the western bandwagon now...pathetic!

Are you not savy enough to see that all this could end up being to Armenia's great advantage? If Ukraine can finally get rid of its status of being a Russian client state, the Crimea will break off from Ukraine and join Russia. This will end the dogma that the Soviet-era borders are somehow unalterable. In the past it was in Russia's interest to maintain that dogma, so it will be gone once Russia sees it is in its own interest to no longer follow it. That will have implications on the status of NK - it will suddenly be officially OK to change Soviet-era borders if those living there want it, and to get those changes recognised by Russia and the world.

[Mher]

Re: Youkrain

Arsen Avakov, an ethnic Armenian from Baku, has been elected as Ukraine's interim Interior Minister

Parliament appoints Avakov acting interior minister

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/parliament-appoints-avakov-acting-interior-minister-337366.html

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Youkrain

Are you not savy enough to see that all this could end up being to Armenia's great advantage? If Ukraine can finally get rid of its status of being a Russian client state, the Crimea will break off from Ukraine and join Russia. This will end the dogma that the Soviet-era borders are somehow unalterable. In the past it was in Russia's interest to maintain that dogma, so it will be gone once Russia sees it is in its own interest to no longer follow it. That will have implications on the status of NK - it will suddenly be officially OK to change Soviet-era borders if those living there want it, and to get those changes recognised by Russia and the world.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Youkrain

Well the USA is back with its bag of dirty tricks to destabilize yet another country. This is not going to end anytime soon may even lead to war so a thread is in order. Here is a good source on news about this and other subjects http://www.democracynow.org/2014/2/2...raine_violence

Were you an avid listener of Radio Moscow in your childhood? Though even those Soviet-era propagandists would blush with embarasement at the outrageous productions from Putinesque Russia. I was watching an hour or so of RT "news" about Ukraine last night - it was so full of blatant propaganda it was almost comical. You leave with the impression that the average Russian-on-the-street must be a complete moron if this is what they believe.

[Haykakan]

Re: Youkrain

It wont let me change the title-or maybe i just dont know how to do it..

[Eddo211]

Re: Youkrain

Yaykakan I think you can still change the title of the thread.....however it seems that function ends within few weeks or something and you can no longer edit.

btw, hope things come down in Ukraine.

[Artashes]

Re: Youkrain

I was on my way to work and in a hurry Arty. The sad truth is that western bs propaganda much like the crap you see in this forum is tearing that country apart and people are dying there. This is exactly what USA policy is all about-it is a sick menifestation of pure evile which is not in any countries interest-not even the interest of the USA. These actions are consistant with previous USA policies which brought nothing but disaster and lots of dead people to many unfortunate countries and their people. This dying superpower is not going to go gracefully it seems so things will get far uglier i am afraid.

---- things will get far uglier -------
I regret (truly regret) that I agree with you on that.
Far uglier than the ordinary ever dreamed of.
What a shame.