What/who made GOD?

[anileve]

Originally posted by Shahumyan the reason there is no god is because there is no logic behind it, and without logic it cannot be

A Marxist talking about a lack of logic in a belief? That is what I call an oxymoron.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by anileve A Marxist talking about a lack of logic in a belief? That is what I call an oxymoron.

Indeed, I was going to say that.

Logic and Marxism are to each other, what an Israeli is to a Palestinian.

[anileve]

Originally posted by Anonymouse Indeed, I was going to say that.

You agreeing with me is another example of an oxymoron. Please restrain from doing it.

[Anonymouse]

Just this once.

[Arvestaked]

Originally posted by Tramanian Science in our realm is applicible only to our realm, no? The laws of science could have been much different at a different point in existence...there could have been a time when energy was subject to creation and destruction.

I think you missed the point of my stating what I did. There's a mentality that asks who created God and is often held by those who put there trust in science. But it is unreasonable to feel that God can be invalidated by that point if ones own beliefs suggest that there may be a concept that had no creator.

And as for a time, when energy was subject to creation:
Logically (because I know you love logic so much) it is impossible for something to be created without there being a cause of that creation. And if something is a cause, it is a form of energy. It's pretty solid. Of course, anyone can always say that energy just occured without a cause and we just do not have the mental capacity to understand that. But if one makes that argument, they can not be an atheist.

[Anonymouse]

My argument is that aliens or beings not from our realm have created us.

That is why in all ancient cultures of antiquity and even some in the present you have had references to "Gods" plural. Even in the Hebrew Bible, the reference to "God" is plural, in the form of "Elohim" which is plural at best for "Gods".

Anyway, I recommend "The Gods of Eden" by William Bramley, and "The 12th Planet" by Zechariah Sitchin.

[Shahumyan]

such idiocy, the fact is marxism is based on logic....however why let the truth spoil ur good story ey?

[jahannam]

it's only plural, cuz people were mostly polytheists when it was written.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by Shahumyan such idiocy, the fact is marxism is based on logic....however why let the truth spoil ur good story ey?

Marxism is not based on logic. It is based on idiocy.

Marxism is just like Nationalism, or any other nonsense Ism that reared its ugly head in the 18th and 19th century. It creates a prism for the mind and all history is viewed by this prism.

Marxism is not "logical" because it is the antithesis of the very thing we call "nature", since it turns it upside its head. I will now quote Hitler from Mein Kampf regarding Marxism who does a far better job of summarizing this than I ever can ( despite the fact that National Socialism was another extension of Marx's ideas ):

"The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privelage of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight. Thus is denies the value of personality in man..."

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by jahannam it's only plural, cuz people were mostly polytheists when it was written.

Well why were they polytheists? Why do you have references to "Gods" in all cultures who came down from the heavens? These aren't just references to mere names, these are references to Gods who came from the heavens, and antiquity is riddled with this.

The Sumerian clay tablets that were found in the 19th century tell of this story of the "Annunaki" who came down from heaven and handed to them civilization. They are stories and myths of the Sumerians collected onto these tablets and one of the only scholars now that is capable of deciphering them is Zechariah Sitchin. The Sumerians referred to their Gods called "Anunna" or "Sons of An". The later Semetic name was Annunaki, meanuing "Those who from heaven came to earth". The Sumerian tablets describe a place called EDIN, later to be incorporated into the Old Testament. These "Legends"in the Bible, aren't new, they were simply regurgitated and given new names. The idea that the religion of the ancient Hebrews was based on one God is not correct, since they had many Gods, both in the Talmud and the Kabbalah, forget the Torah and the Old Testament. In the Old Testmanet "Elohim" is prevalent through and it is plural for Gods. The Hebrew singular for God is "El" and "Elohim" is plural. And with these "Gods" that all cultures speak of you have the symbolism of the serpent.

This is pretty intruiging xxxx that I like to read on my free time, although many would insist its just "nonsense" but I see much truth that can't simply me shrugged off.