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  • #411
    Re: Religion and Atheism

    Originally posted by Siggie View Post
    No. The US was founded with these ideals and it has swayed from that. The solution is not to move.
    LOL, the U.S. was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. They leave the country, all that's left is retards that don't know how anything works.
    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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    • #412
      Re: Religion and Atheism

      Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
      LOL, the U.S. was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. They leave the country, all that's left is retards that don't know how anything works.
      Says Historian Kan... no wait, you're not one...

      Separation of church and state was a BIG one. The constitution is a secular document.

      Originally posted by U.S. Treaty with Tripoli, 1797
      The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion….

      —U.S. Treaty with Tripoli, 1797
      [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
      -Henry Ford[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

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      • #413
        Re: Religion and Atheism

        Originally posted by Siggie View Post
        Says Historian Kan... no wait, you're not one...

        Separation of church and state was a BIG one. How is that a Judeo-Christian principle, pray tell?
        In Kanada, you can choose to allocate taxes to the Catholic school board or the public school board. Those are your two choices of schooling. As far as I know, you need to dish out a lot of money to send your kids to a Catholic or other private school in the U.S. That is separation between church and state. The state doesn't teach your kids religion unless you pay for it out of your own pocket. What else do you want?
        "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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        • #414
          Re: Religion and Atheism

          Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
          What else do you want?
          I don't want the sorts of things I listed in the previous post.
          [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
          -Henry Ford[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

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          • #415
            Re: Religion and Atheism

            Originally posted by Siggie View Post
            That and toward religion being forced onto others insofar as it permeates government and influences decision making that impacts other persons. I have a problem with a member of government using religion to inform their decision making, voting, etc.
            Examples:
            Trying to teach creation in science classrooms. - In a public school, sure. You can't push that onto parents who want creation science to be taught.

            Banning stem-cell research based on religious objections. - Stem-cell research was never banned. What was banned is the use of stem cells from embryos. Besides, it's cheaper to get South Korea to do it.

            Spending government money on giant statues of the commandments. - I'm sure public citizens will be glad to pay for it out of their own pocket and even buy out the property to put it on. If you don't want to see it then don't look.

            Women dying because no one in a hospital or medical facility has learned how to perform an abortion because of their religious beliefs. - So you want to force doctors to learn something that they refuse to do out of their free will. Dictator much? My suggestion, clothes hanger and some bleach.

            And yes, I have a problem with "under God" in the pledge of allegiance too. It wasn't there originally; it was added and it should be removed because it violates separation of church and state. - Personally, I shouldn't be forced to sing the national anthem either. However, good luck getting the word God off of American money since that is what controls the people.
            "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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            • #416
              Re: Religion and Atheism

              I think Turkey has a similar attitude: Genocide is a lie and if you don't like it we kill you.

              But then you say what about this and that and all these historical facts and stuff? Turkey says no the Truth is what we believe and we kill you if you say otherwise.

              It doesn't stop at religion. The problem is "stupidity" Teaching creationism is plain just STUPID. There is no other way to put it. Creation is not backed by ANY fact. The only source of it is just stories told over centuries. You can say "oh we just have a different blief and you and I are the same you are just stupid for not believing what I believe." ... but there is a HUGE difference. The stuff I believe in have testable evidence. The stuff the religious believe cannot be tested and that is where "faith" comes in. What is faith? Faith is believing in things you can't prove
              this post = teh win.

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              • #417
                Re: Religion and Atheism

                Originally posted by Sip View Post
                I think Turkey has a similar attitude: Genocide is a lie and if you don't like it we kill you.

                But then you say what about this and that and all these historical facts and stuff? Turkey says no the Truth is what we believe and we kill you if you say otherwise.

                It doesn't stop at religion. The problem is "stupidity" Teaching creationism is plain just STUPID. There is no other way to put it. Creation is not backed by ANY fact. The only source of it is just stories told over centuries. You can say "oh we just have a different blief and you and I are the same you are just stupid for not believing what I believe." ... but there is a HUGE difference. The stuff I believe in have testable evidence. The stuff the religious believe cannot be tested and that is where "faith" comes in. What is faith? Faith is believing in things you can't prove
                Prove Turkey is wrong. I guess since the destruction of over hundreds of Armenian Churches in Anatolia followed by the exodus of Armenians from modern Turkey, the elimination of "religion" would bury the history of Armenians from the records for good. Good try Sipperman.
                "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                • #418
                  Re: Religion and Atheism

                  Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                  Prove Turkey is wrong. I guess since the destruction of over hundreds of Armenian Churches in Anatolia followed by the exodus of Armenians from modern Turkey, the elimination of "religion" would bury the history of Armenians from the records for good. Good try Sipperman.
                  I don't understand what you said here.
                  this post = teh win.

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                  • #419
                    Re: Religion and Atheism

                    Originally posted by Sip View Post
                    I don't understand what you said here.
                    Turkey has had a long time to cover up the crime scene. What "testable" evidence do you have that Armenians existed in Turkey?
                    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                    • #420
                      Re: Religion and Atheism

                      Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                      Turkey has had a long time to cover up the crime scene. What "testable" evidence do you have that Armenians existed in Turkey?
                      What testable evidence is there that anything ever happened except history books and archeology? Can you please stick on topic.

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