Religion and Atheism

[KanadaHye]

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What? Are you suggesting America will die due to gays? Before you answer that, let me ask if there are only gays in the US or there are gays everywhere? (Note that this is mostly a rhetorical question unless you are with Ahmadinejad and want to claim that for example there are no gays in Iran )

I may have misunderstood what you are saying ... I am hoping you are saying that we need larger and larger groups of young people to keep the old generations going since they live so much longer

You're comparing apples to oranges... America is the largest economy in the world with 300+ million citizens. Iran's population is around 70 million. Like I said, stop immigration to the U.S. and see how long the country would last.

[KanadaHye]

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I think this is what he meant. In classic Kanada style, his point didn't have much to do with gays or religion.

Classic Siggie style... doesn't understand the world, religion or simple economics....

The problem with modern religion is trying to classify homosexuality as "sin" when there are soooo many gays that are biologically gay (as in God made them that way). I know a lot of the uber-religious will fight tooth and nail trying to argue against this but you put any group of 10 people together, my guess is 1 of them is going to be gay. You can shame them into silence, you can burn them at the stake, you can stone and hang them (like they do in Iran), but in the end, you can't really fight biology (or God's will?).

When retarded children are born to parents that were on drugs.... is that God's fault? Hormonal imbalances could be do to so many environmental and biological factors. However, if a culture promotes homosexuality like the media and pop culture does, it's not shocking to expect an increase in individuals that partake in the culture.

[Sip]

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You're comparing apples to oranges... America is the largest economy in the world with 300+ million citizens. Iran's population is around 70 million. Like I said, stop immigration to the U.S. and see how long the country would last.

That's like comparing limes to pineapples. Like I said, there are gays everywhere and it is in fact biological.

[Sip]

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When retarded children are born to parents that were on drugs.... is that God's fault? Hormonal imbalances could be do to so many environmental and biological factors. However, if a culture promotes homosexuality like the media and pop culture does, it's not shocking to expect an increase in individuals that partake in the culture.

How about retarded kids that are born from God loving, non-drug addicted parents? Are you saying that is because of the media? I obviously don't agree.

By the way, how did we go from gay to retarded with hormonal imbalance?

[KanadaHye]

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How about retarded kids that are born from God loving, non-drug addicted parents? Are you saying that is because of the media? I obviously don't agree.

By the way, how did we go from gay to retarded with hormonal imbalance?

From your claim that God intervenes in human matters.

[Sip]

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Still remains:

How about retarded kids that are born from God loving, non-drug addicted parents?

[KanadaHye]

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How about retarded kids that are born from God loving, non-drug addicted parents?

What causes Mental Retardation?
http://www.searo.who.int/en/Section1...n1825_8090.htm

[Sip]

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What causes Mental Retardation?
http://www.searo.who.int/en/Section1...n1825_8090.htm

Thank you. Seems that many of those can occur whether or not you believe in God or not. So I will ask again ... How about retarded kids that are born from God loving, non-drug addicted parents? And of course I will ask again what this has to do with the real discussion about homosexuality being a sin .. you still didn't answer that.

[yerazhishda]

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How about retarded kids that are born from God loving, non-drug addicted parents? Are you saying that is because of the media? I obviously don't agree.

By the way, how did we go from gay to retarded with hormonal imbalance?

As he passed by, he saw a man blind from his birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" 3 Jesus answered, "It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be made manifest in him.

John 9:1-3

Your question goes into the field of theodicy - i.e. the study of the question: if God, why evil. Obviously, this question can never be fully or adequately answered by anyone. The 'problem of evil' is a problem for the atheist as well as the believer. The atheist will say, 'evil happens either by accident, chance or the malevolence of others'. This may be OK for some, but try telling this to a person afflicted by suffering...

I think it's safe to say that the Christian would say that God permits suffering either to bring the afflicted person to Christ, to bring others to Christ or both. It may seem "cruel" by worldly standards, but sometimes God knows that this is the only way that a person will come to know Him - i.e. by bearing the Cross with Christ as well as those that must show that person mercy.

[HayotzAmrotz]

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I am anti-marriage as an institution (Gay or straight, doesn't matter to me).

That's your choice and that's fair enough by me. Just make sure you keep paying your taxes because you do in fact live in a society and just like anyone else you must contribute your share towards its upkeep, which includes subsidising the less fortunate (i.e. single mothers, poorer families, the elderly, the immigrants etc.)

The problem with modern religion is trying to classify homosexuality as "sin" when there are soooo many gays that are biologically gay (as in God made them that way).

I don't believe that there is such thing as born gay. People become gay by choice influenced by an experience. And the sky is the limit for the variety of experiences that influence such a choice, it could be a traumatic past such as child molestation, it could be failure(s) with the opposite sex, or it could be just the simple, human curiosity. But being born gay is biologically and scientifically impossible because Nature programs sexes accordingly and always the same way, if the Nature (or call it God, if you like) decides to program someone differently than in that case that particular individual will be born as a hermaphrodite.