Armenian lesbians/gays

[hrai]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

I would like to also point out that, historically, forbidding something like abortions and contraception doesn't decrease the amount of children aborted or condoms used - it just drives the industry underground. Unqualified doctors often end up injuring or hurting the mothers, who are desperate, or the mother abandons the child. In the case of contraceptives, harmful remedies are sometimes used, and there develops a thriving black market that the government can't even tax at normal rates, as it's under the table. Making it legal is a logical choice, as it prevents self-inflicted harm on the part of laymen and eliminates illegal economic activity for the most part.

If one wishes to increase the population, one must create an environment that is receptive to new families. This doesn't even mean that the government should subsidizing new children; a few hundred thousand drams is hardly an incentive for a young couple to keep a child. This means investing in social programs, like free public education and welfare, as well as raising the general standard of living for low-income families.

When I was living in Germany in the late 80s/early 90s, abortion there was illegal and I remember the scandal of a young girl who drove with her boyfriend to Holland for an abortion. At that time, there were border posts (pre-Schengen) and medical staff with the Grenze Polizei. This girl was stopped when re-entering Germany and "examined" in the border post, her treatment there nearly cost her her life. This scandal helped the cause of legalizing abortion. In Soviet Union, abortion was a standard method of "contraception/birth control", sad but true and when you live in those times it's difficult to see the wood for the trees.

[Flamenkita]

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Well sex's primary function is of course making babies, but for the secondary functions you have the xxxxxs of society to full fill that...

So, by this logic, would you make prostitution legal in Armenia?

[Flamenkita]

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The banning of premarital sex brings with it another stupid and horrific practice: honor killings. Now Armenia starts looking more and more like its neighbors, you know, the ones that Armenians have been feeling superior to...

Also, banning abortion and contraception are one approach to increasing population (a population of riff-raff, if you ask me). An additional approach, as practiced by those Muslims that Armenians love to hate and love to feel superior to, would be polygamy. Why not institute polygamy in this Armenia of yours?

[Flamenkita]

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Armenia ranked #1 in Internet porn searches! Now that's something to be proud of, no?

http://www.epress.am/en/2012/04/06/pornomania-in-armenia-result-of-the-cult-of-virginity.html

[Sip]

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I love it! Thanks for the link.

[KanadaHye]

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This made me sad To go through life denying one self this most primal urge that a husband and wife can enjoy for a large part of their lives together ... that is borderline criminal! I really can't imagine Jesus advocating such a horrific denial of the pure joys of life that God has created for us. Forget premarital sex, forget 100s of partners ... are we seriously even talking about husbands and wives only having sex to make babies? Yyyyyyyyyiykes I can see there is no end to this thread.

Yes, people have intercourse to have babies... does your wife use mouth wash before she kisses the kids goodnight so they don't get blisters the size of baseballs on their lips? Let's get a bit scientific here... and keep religion out of it.

[Siggie]

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I would like to also point out that, historically, forbidding something like abortions and contraception doesn't decrease the amount of children aborted or condoms used - it just drives the industry underground. Unqualified doctors often end up injuring or hurting the mothers, who are desperate, or the mother abandons the child. In the case of contraceptives, harmful remedies are sometimes used, and there develops a thriving black market that the government can't even tax at normal rates, as it's under the table. Making it legal is a logical choice, as it prevents self-inflicted harm on the part of laymen and eliminates illegal economic activity for the most part.

If one wishes to increase the population, one must create an environment that is receptive to new families. This doesn't even mean that the government should subsidizing new children; a few hundred thousand drams is hardly an incentive for a young couple to keep a child. This means investing in social programs, like free public education and welfare, as well as raising the general standard of living for low-income families.

Correct! I saw some figures for this a while ago which I cannot remember now, but there's more harm, injury, and deaths that would result from banning it (thus driving it underground as you said) as opposed to keeping it legal. The real "pro-life" option is to be pro-choice.

[Siggie]

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Yes, people have intercourse to have babies... does your wife use mouth wash before she kisses the kids goodnight so they don't get blisters the size of baseballs on their lips? Let's get a bit scientific here... and keep religion out of it.

Is it necessary to get personal and though your intent isn't entirely clear, potentially insulting as well? You can ask the ridiculous question in general, you know. It would be no more absurd.

Are you seriously proposing that women are going to communicate herpes to their children by kissing them good night? You want to get scientific, I suggest you do some very simple research first.

You're assuming all kinds of things. No one here advocated promiscuity nor unsafe sexual practices. There's no reason for this to even be an issue in a monogamous relationship (whether hetero- or homosexual).

How are you not equally concerned that the husband might infect the children by kissing them good night or sharing utensils with the family? This would be an equally silly suggestion.
It's also horrifying that you think mouthwash would prevent infection if it were possible to spread that way.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

I would like to also point out that, historically, forbidding something like abortions and contraception doesn't decrease the amount of children aborted or condoms used - it just drives the industry underground. Unqualified doctors often end up injuring or hurting the mothers, who are desperate, or the mother abandons the child. In the case of contraceptives, harmful remedies are sometimes used, and there develops a thriving black market that the government can't even tax at normal rates, as it's under the table. Making it legal is a logical choice, as it prevents self-inflicted harm on the part of laymen and eliminates illegal economic activity for the most part.

Historically, contraception was seen as the woman's responsibility as she is the one that has control over her own pregnancy. Also, it should be a black market as anything that is tied to government is taken from the pockets of responsible citizens and given to the irresponsible ones.

If one wishes to increase the population, one must create an environment that is receptive to new families. This doesn't even mean that the government should subsidizing new children; a few hundred thousand drams is hardly an incentive for a young couple to keep a child. This means investing in social programs, like free public education and welfare, as well as raising the general standard of living for low-income families.

If one wishes to increase the population, then the resources of the country should be accessible to everyone so that not just a few profit from it. It shouldn't cost half a million dollars and a 40yr mortgage for some dirt, lumber, bricks, stone and a couple months of labour.

[KanadaHye]

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You're assuming all kinds of things. No one here advocated promiscuity nor unsafe sexual practices. There's no reason for this to even be an issue in a monogamous relationship (whether hetero- or homosexual).

Have you read the title of the thread? I rest my case your honor.

How are you not equally concerned that the husband might infect the children by kissing them good night or sharing utensils with the family? This would be an equally silly suggestion.
It's also horrifying that you think mouthwash would prevent infection if it were possible to spread that way.

Men don't have to worry about such things... they aren't coerced to do things against their will... unless they are pansies.