Woman MADE him rape her

[ArmoBarbi]

I think this pathetic excuse has been used to death. Even if this woman walked around in her underwear it is no justification - especially an actual outfit!

Rape is illegal. Wearing a short skirt/dress is not. Could it possibly be that way for a reason??... People like this make me wish there was a Hell.

[Anonymouse]

I think this pathetic excuse has been used to death. Even if this woman walked around in her underwear it is no justification - especially an actual outfit!

Rape is illegal. Wearing a short skirt/dress is not. Could it possibly be that way for a reason??... People like this make me wish there was a Hell.

It's not a matter of whether it is illegal or not. It is a moral matter, whether or not individuals have a right to their life, property, and liberty, and most importantly the property of their bodies. In this example, the Saracen violated that right of the woman.

[ArmoBarbi]

It's not a matter of whether it is illegal or not. It is a moral matter, whether or not individuals have a right to their life, property, and liberty, and most importantly the property of their bodies. In this example, the Saracen violated that right of the woman.

Yes, Teacher. You're so enlightening. I hope to be as morally conscious as you when I grow up.

[CatWoman]

siamato - if i was a guy and i was gay and i saw you in shorts - i would malester you - but not rape...

Nune, you can be a girl and straight and still molest him you know

Makes me wonder... can a woman rape a man? lol

[CatWoman]

Anony is right: if I love ice-cream but and I have no money to buy it woyld it be ok to steal it? Or if I whant to be friends with a person, and he doesnt is it ok if I kidnap him and keep him in my apartment just to have a "little chat" sometimes?

hahaha you know what this reminds me of... this guy I was dating came to my place to fix my computer and the whole time I was looking at him sitting behind my computer and thinking.... hummmm only if I could lock you in my room for ever ! Then, I decided to kidnap him and move to another planet instead! Yes PLANET. Muahahaha

I really loved the a-hole.

[nunechka]

No i never said that people are not responsible for their actions and as i stated at my first post such actions are wrong.What i simply said is: if you want to protect yourself by such things then take your measures and becarefull what ''image'' you are generaly showing about yourself to those who are around you or be prepared for the consequences , whatever these consequences are.
Like you all said, everyone is responsible for his/her action.

yes i suppose then if a man rapes a woman then i have the uncontrollable urget to cut off his penis that is ok, because "like you said - if you want to protect yourself [i.e. your penis in this case] from such things then take your measure and be careful what "image" [action] you are generally showing [taking] about yourself to those around you or be prepared for the consequences [i.e. penis being cut off].

but you see how flawed the argument is... it is just as flawed to rape a woman and say "she looked like she wanted me to do it because of what she was wearing" -- and even if she was walking around NAKED! and drinking NAKED JUICE! that does NOT mean that a man can all of a sudden loose his ability to reason and rape her... that is pretty much the silliest and most immature reasoning on the face of this planet...

no there is no reason for me to "watch" what i am wearing... maybe we all should "watch" out for insane men who cannot control their penis...


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[winoman]

A couple of comments....

Of course everyone here is reflecting their cultural biases when they say this is acceptable and that is not acceptable and if you dress such a way etc - I mean look at our red Brigade here - he consideres himself a communist - but he reflects purely unenlightened fundementalist religious values. I find it facsinating how the Christian and Muslim (paternalistic based) religions hold such severe (slave like) attitudes towards women where in cultures such as India - with the Hindu heritage - the beauty of women has always been apreciated and sensuality has always been held in very high regard. Anyway - of course rape can never be justified - but this shows that not all peoples have truly realized the concepts of human rights where a woman is a human being - with full rights of realization of her life - and is not just property or some kind of secondary order creature. When I see a picture such as those 3 girls that was posted I say more power to them. Why should women not be allowed or be denigrated for wanting to have a good time - in whatever way they see fit? Why are wome held to a different standard then men? What can truly be thge rationale? Why is it we call a woman a s lut is she enjoys sex and if she wants to experince and enjoy many men (or even just to go out and drink and party and be losse or whatnot - flirt and have a good time - what can truly be wrong with this?) - when a man is not so stigmatized but is perhaps even looked up to for this sort of thing? And even if women chose to walk around naked (and obvioulsy according to the views of this Egyptian - and many not of the West - or even many fundies here - she essentially is naked if she is showing anything at all and attempting to look good - etc) - there is still no excuse for rape. Anyway - of course we cannot expect those in these other cultures to change overnight - though I find the persistence of these types of attitudes in Western countries very disturbing - it is another example of the Christian legacy that I think we can do without.

[Siamanto]

I think this pathetic excuse has been used to death. Even if this woman walked around in her underwear it is no justification - especially an actual outfit!

I totally agree with you. Of course, with the condition that the underwear should not be bought at the mall! Of course, just teasing you!
What amazes me most is that we - men - react in a far more irrational manner when a woman wears a mini skirt - specially when she pulls it up - than when she wears a bikini! As if it is the covered part that invades our imagination!

People like this make me wish there was a Hell.

Hell exists even if you don't believe in it!
Hell is when one is oppressed! Hell is when one is raped!
Hell is also when our senses are aroused with forbidden promises and our desires teased but never satisfied.
Of course, the existence of "hell" should not justify religious fanatism!

[nunechka]

siggie i went off topic to be funny...

anywho...

catwoman - yes you are right... i will malestor siamato regardless... i am a straight woman and damn if he looks good in shorts then YES!

[hyebruin]

What a dumbass. His thinking, if taken to the logical extreme, implies that no one is responsible for their actions. I guess I can just go to the store and steal icecream (I like Klondike), and I can just blame it on the ice cream because it made me steal it.

same goes for bf's or gf's....just because he/she "looks good" or is "cuuute" doesn't mean you can have him/her



such a simple concept, yet barely understood and hardly enforced in society (generally speaking that is)!