Racism

[TJ]

what i am trying to say is that there is not such thing as american, especially if your forefathers immigrated here in the last 100 years or so. but being part cherokee would qualify you to call yourself Armenian-American.

Is the french remark directed to felizitation?

I only consider myself Armenian and always will consider myself Armenian above everything else

[loseyourname]

Yeah, it's directed to him. I'm a little curious as to what a frenchman thinks of this country.

[felizitation]

Originally posted by loseyourname I guess we're all African if you go back far enough. I was born in the US, and half of my ancestors have been here for millenia, so xxxx it, I'm American. What about you? Do you consider yourself French? For that matter, how do you feel about Americans?

Yeah, that's the point. I don't understand his point of view.
So, we're all expatriate africans.

I'm french, by will and because it's objectively what I am.
I'm also armenian, shall I say by culture? also by will. But I want to get more education concerning my armenian culture. I get jaleaous when I hear speaking my parents, my oncle. I don't have any crazy idea of the armenian novelists, etc ...

I can't say, as "French I feel something for USA". I'm the only one involved here.
I can't say I love/hate american, I should hate many people in states, such as in Armenia, such as in France. I met many interesting people when I was in NY, and doing generalities makes me upset.
I just feel sad for you because of your government. Here, we only see you through your government, or your stupid movies (I mean everything is not stupid, but stupidity is easily exported), or McDonalds like stuff. Everything but the culture itself.

I should make some effort for getting through the commercial smoke

[loseyourname]

It is true that only the stupidest xxxx is exported. I don't know much about Armenian culture, either, or Cherokee culture, for that matter. All I feel like I know is southern California, North Carolina, and New Jersey. Part of the reason I'm here.

[SagGal]

Originally posted by TigranJamharian what i am trying to say is that there is not such thing as american, especially if your forefathers immigrated here in the last 100 years or so. but being part cherokee would qualify you to call yourself Armenian-American.

Is the french remark directed to felizitation?

I only consider myself Armenian and always will consider myself Armenian above everything else

so true. I will never call myself an American. Just plain old American, no way. I'm Armenian. My bloods is Armenian and will stay like that. Even when I have kids they will be Armenian.
So what if, I lived in China I would call myself Chinese? YA RIGHT. lol

I don't really consider myself a racist although I guess I can be. Like If I hate a black person for doing something bad, I do find myself using those negative words that are used towards them. Generally, i think that there is bad in every ethnicity and race. Racism always spreads further and further.

[loseyourname]

I agree with feliz. If you're an American citizen, then you're American. If you ever become a Chinese citizen, you'll be Chinese. But regardless of anything else, you'll always be Armenian; that's the one thing that can never be taken away and can never change. You just have to differentiate between citizenship and race. There is no American race other than Native American. for that matter, there is no Armenian race. Armenians are caucasian; Armenian is an ethnicity, not a race.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Re: Re: Racism

Originally posted by felizitation I think that there is a confusion on the word racisms and race. The problem of the racism was that it gave people a very good pretexte/support to discrimate people, and thus leding to inequalities

For my part, there is two layer for the word race:
- race as race of animals, race of fruit, we can put in "Human race"
- race as being physically different (ethnic stands for cultural differences)

Inequalities existed before racism. The world is one of inequalities. People are unequal. Races are unequal. Animals are unequal. Tampons are unequal. There is no such thing as "equality".

Originally posted by felizitation Of course, there is PHYSICAL differences. A white guy has the skin pretty ... white, a black guy would have a skin pretty black. We may iterate this on all differences: the ones having a big nose, the others, the ones having long hairs (Arvee), the other (me). Etc...

Now, saying that there is "no race", is saying that everybody belongs to human race, which is true of course.
What does it mean ? It means that intellectually speaking, we are (almost) all equals or better to say that : for seizing the ability of someone to perform a specific task, one cannot base its judgement on physical appearance.

But one can indeed argue that race goes beyond physical differences and to the genetic level, so it's physical, mental, cognitive, intelligence, etc. indeed it has been argued from this point of view. Just because you belong to a certain race doesn't mean you are equal. No two fruits are equal, no two apples are equal. So many of the modern people are spoon fed egalitarian fiction since birth from every orifice of communication they grow up to believe in "equality". There is no such thing.

Originally posted by felizitation Yes, I agree, but I definitely won't use the word "discrimination", which has a highly pejorative semantic. Noticing the differences does not necessarly led to predjudice, it allows you to "differenciate" someone. Here again we may iterate from rough differences to finer differences: green, blue... ugly, nice, tall, small...
We do differenciations within what we roughly would call a race. For instance, recognising a face is based on physical differences.
Concerning the armenian part of the paragraph, yes, this is discriminating, but it is essentially based on cultural differences. The fact is that a lot of armenians look the same. There is not very very big physical differences, but being armenian is first of all belonging to a culture. You have never seen a black skinned or indian looking armenian. I did. For me, they are armenian, because they feel armenian, they speak armenian, etc...
they embraced the armenian culture.

That is untrue. It is only a modern phenomenon that "discrimination" is associated in negative terms. God forbid anyone is caught discriminating. It used to be that it was a compliment to have a "discriminating mind" in other words being keen and individualistic and differentiating in your choices. Now it's a crime against humanity.

Originally posted by felizitation Egalitarism, as presented by states/government, is another thing. As you said, we force people to be together, even if they don't want to. We say them just that, socially speaking, a person benefits of the same rights than you, and we saying that by obviously laying the stress on differences.Presenting stuff like this is being far away from the only essence of egalitarism, since you don't tell/argue/convince why people are equal. It's like a Staline forcing people to be happy.
Egalitarism presented like that would exist only with the government acting as mediator. Only ministries may fake to believe this.
By the way, egalitarism is new and is a doctrine. Like many other doctrines, it may be wrong.

Egalitarianism, is misleading. Look at it this way, all political systems are socialistic. Whatever is socialistic has equality as its premise, whether it is democracy, communism, or socialism, they all seek to make things more "equal" for their respective clients, redistribute wealth, etc.

Originally posted by felizitation Now Racism is dicrimination based upon physical differences. Racism is not only "hate", even if it tends to. Actually hate is the more predjudicing feeling that racism may feed. Hate can ease (genocide) or complicate (us) an organisation as a whole. By the way, racism begin with "subjectivity" (I don't know how to say that) linked to physical differences (blacks run faster, indians are better computer analysts ...)

So we established that to discriminate is to choose something over something else, in other words, the natural and cognitive ability to differentiate. If racism is discrimination based on someones physical appearance, then by all means I am racist, since I find myself attracted to "white" females, as opposed to dark skinned ones. By doing so I am exercising my cognitive ability to differentiate between the two and choose one over the other. I am a racist.

Originally posted by felizitation I disagree with the fact that homogeneity is synonimous to cohesion/stability. The asian countries have much more disuasive stuff concerning crimes, and simply do not mediatise this as america does. We don't know exactly what is happening in this country, but from my "movie" experience, violences exist as well as western countries.
Vietman is maybe another known example of how violent people may be.

While you may disagree or not has no bearing, since Japan doesnt spend millions on diversity programs and minority rights, etc., nor does it have ethnic minorities creating riots ( ex. 91 L.A. riots ).

[Nimrod]

Originally posted by SexyAries If Jews arn't a race then Im not a racist.........woo hoo!!!!!!

I can't really tell the future, but i think racism will be around for a very long time, even till the end of time. People are just born with those traits and it would be bull for anyone to say that they have never even said a racist remark. So i dunno what do you guys think? Raicism will be around or not?

That just makes you another narcolepsic uninformed troll though.

[Nimrod]

I think everyone in this forum needs to look up the term "prejudice" and "racism" because there is a distinction. I am prejudice but not racist although those two might intervene at times, depending on the subject.

[Nimrod]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Racism

Originally posted by Anonymouse Inequalities existed before racism. The world is one of inequalities. People are unequal. Races are unequal. Animals are unequal. Tampons are unequal. There is no such thing as "equality".



But one can indeed argue that race goes beyond physical differences and to the genetic level, so it's physical, mental, cognitive, intelligence, etc. indeed it has been argued from this point of view. Just because you belong to a certain race doesn't mean you are equal. No two fruits are equal, no two apples are equal. So many of the modern people are spoon fed egalitarian fiction since birth from every orifice of communication they grow up to believe in "equality". There is no such thing.


We should study the concept of accultration of "race" and later ethnicity to grasp a better comprehension of it.


That is untrue. It is only a modern phenomenon that "discrimination" is associated in negative terms. God forbid anyone is caught discriminating. It used to be that it was a compliment to have a "discriminating mind" in other words being keen and individualistic and differentiating in your choices. Now it's a crime against humanity.







Egalitarianism, is misleading. Look at it this way, all political systems are socialistic. Whatever is socialistic has equality as its premise, whether it is democracy, communism, or socialism, they all seek to make things more "equal" for their respective clients, redistribute wealth, etc.



So we established that to discriminate is to choose something over something else, in other words, the natural and cognitive ability to differentiate. If racism is discrimination based on someones physical appearance, then by all means I am racist, since I find myself attracted to "white" females, as opposed to dark skinned ones. By doing so I am exercising my cognitive ability to differentiate between the two and choose one over the other. I am a racist.



While you may disagree or not has no bearing, since Japan doesnt spend millions on diversity programs and minority rights, etc., nor does it have ethnic minorities creating riots ( ex. 91 L.A. riots ).