Racism

[patlajan]

Originally posted by Shahumyan ive read animal farm, and Orwell was a famous trotskyist, maybe your lecturer didnt tell u this as he was rogering you up the ass?

it was a critique of stalinism, not communism, like i said he was a trotskyist, which is the continuation of the school of marxism

Thank you for the insightful explanation. Now can you come up an argument to make the endless line for bread that I'm on any shorter? Thanks

[PASAMONSTER]

hey jahnnamm sorry if i'm trying to be a little helpfull, I'm trying to do my good in this community, there are some people that can't put up pictures for avatars because they don't know how to adjust the pictures.

and once again i appologize for trying to be helpfull.

[Shahumyan]

Originally posted by Anonymouse Oy vay! Not the relativists coming along and giving new names to what is essentially the same idea.

Listen Marxist from Manchestor, you can call it Marxism, Communism, Lenninism, Trotskyism, Stalinism, the point is, the idea started from Marx, it's the same idea. Ideas have consequences. It only showed that if the idea was taken to that logical end, that was the result. You don't have to like history, but that is the way it goes.

These ideologies are not the same at all, stalinism is the removal of the capitalist as the ruling class and swapping it with party beurocrats, leaving the concentration of power in hands of beurocrats, not workers

Marxism/Leninism/Trotskyism are the opposite, maintaining firm power in hands of workers to choose and run the country.

What do you base your argument on? 1 experiment (the soviet experiement). Try looking at the leninist part of the SU, or indeed the Paris commune. I want to know what sources you use....they seem very unreliable

[Shahumyan]

patlajan, i dont understand, what was your point/question, apologies for not understanding, any clearer please? thanks

[patlajan]

Originally posted by Shahumyan patlajan, i dont understand, what was your point/question, apologies for not understanding, any clearer please? thanks

I'm talking about the failure of the state run economy. Isn't that also related to what is being discussed? All the disctincions you made have the state run economy in common right?

[PASAMONSTER]

hey lets leave politics out of racism OK?

[Shahumyan]

racism is a tool of the certain sections of politics, they are intertwined, and cant be seperated.

As for the state economy, i dont see how this has failed, what are your parametres for failure? Do you think capitalism is a success?

for me the parametres are employment, standard of living, security and so on

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by Shahumyan racism is a tool of the certain sections of politics, they are intertwined, and cant be seperated.

As for the state economy, i dont see how this has failed, what are your parametres for failure? Do you think capitalism is a success?

for me the parametres are employment, standard of living, security and so on

Yes capitalism was a success, unfortunately the State has grown larger and larger and interferes in the free market.

All political systems, whether democracy, fascism, communism, are socialistic.

[PASAMONSTER]

I don't like any kind of government, i dont like authority in general.


I think we should have a nice parliament shooting every once in a while clears up bad blood.

[Shahumyan]

anonymouse, i used to find it a challenge replying to your posts, however its become so easy now.

first off, democracy isnt an ideology, so theres your first mistake in putting it next to communism and socialism (which use total democracy) and fascism

Where you write democracy, i presume you mean capitalism (which are completely different, and since when was capitalism democratic anyway?).

The government MUST interefere in the market, as if it didnt, the market would be overthrown by the victims of the failures of capitalism, ie the workers. That is why we have welfare systems etc, not because the people were nice, but because if they werent put up, the state would be smashed, and even if the workers were not organised then it would still result in riots and general unrest (for US example see Cincinati riots).

If the government didnt interfere, the government would be overthrown, it would have no other choice, other than to smash up its workers (Like in Iran). Remember, the capitalists need the workers so they would prefer not to kill them all, just beat them into submission (whether through propaganda or literally depends on situation).