Would you marry a person who isn't Armenian?

[SagGal]

Originally posted by felizitation Is she marry me, she SHOULD forget all her traditions.

i was this close to xxxxxing at u.

Originally posted by felizitation I was joking, for the ones that would think i was serious.
By the way, for those ones, I would never marry them..

but then i read this

[felizitation]

Originally posted by Anonymouse Face it, Armenians will be assimilated in due time, just like in Eastern Europe.

It's not that it's fearing me. It is just that i'm not convinced.
Eastern Europe, despite a wide opening to the "external" world, keeps its own identity.

It agree more or less with what we were talking about on the "racism" thread (I swear i'll answer, but it takes too much time to me to write in english)
I mean, these countries are small but homogeneous.

[Anonymouse]

Face it, Armenians will be assimilated in due time, just like in Eastern Europe.

[felizitation]

Originally posted by felizitation Is she marry me, she SHOULD forget all her traditions.

I was joking, for the ones that would think i was serious.
By the way, for those ones, I would never marry them.

[felizitation]

Originally posted by SagGal i don't see myself marrying anyone who isn't Armenian. Like I said in the 'Intermarriage" thread, it may lead to problems such as different traditions, religions and things like that.

And for those of you who said that u will mary a girl who's not Armenian as long as she cooks armenian and does everything armenian, that's quite selfish on ur part. What about her traditions and her family's/nationality's way of living?

Is she marry me, she SHOULD forget all her traditions.

[felizitation]

Originally posted by Anonymouse "Armenians" have indeed changed via mixture over the centuries, not as bad as say "Persians", but for the most part indeed are "Caucasoid", however you define that. Anyone can be "Armenian" in the sense that they can learn the language and familiarize themselves with the culture. Thus whereas at one point "Armenian" was synonomous with the Armenian Orthodox Church, now that is beginning to change. Culture is contained in language, so when some "Armenians" don't speak "Armenian" they are about as "Armenian" as the Wolf in Red Riding Hood is Grandma, and I don't care what you say to the contrary.

Yop, in fact my french *true* girlfriend, who was really interested by armenians, read my once something about "armenoid" (and laught at be from this day), dating to, as far as i remember 500BC.
Caucasoid and armenoid should be very close.

I agree with you for the "mixture" part of the armenian. The land suffered many times from invasion, and these of course mixing bloods and populations. A simple look to the different physionomies of caucasian area betray this mixture of blood: although very various, there is a big amont of traits which look alike.

What remains over years was the language, the land or at least an area (which is also very important to identify a "culture"), and maybe the religion.

Religion played the role of cement over years, being a base, and more or less respected (I said more or less) by agressors. At least, religion was secondary to geostrategic position. Since todays the role of religion is taken by governments, i'm afraid it will disapear, but we can't say anything yet because here again religion is distinct from another religions.

Language is today, in my thoughts, the most important part of the culture. It is the mirror of our history, and a real point on which one may say he is different concerning his surroundings, that he is armenian. Besides, the writting also is unique.

Of course, the language is not reserved only to "armenoids" and anyone who has the will to learn it may succeed.

The fact of having some unique things in our culture. And in a certain way it elevates it at a precious point. If we state that men want to get out of anonymity (no pun), language is a good way to do that, religion maybe.

Now the question concerns us. In eachone's extent, we speak armenian, we eat armenian, we know armenian history. The problem is not the mixture of blood, it is our kids and what we will teach them.
Of course, it is easier if both parents are armenian. But what if one speaks and the other not ? the problem remains the same.
I may sound utopist, but being afraid of marrying an odar because it would be like loosing the culture, points our problem which is self-confidence. I mean, why should a culture take over another one in family's microcosm, apart from the fact that one surrenders or think that the culture is inapropriate to the country?

I think we have difficult choices to do as an intermediate generation. I mean, now there's a land (almost democratic, almost independant), we have a kind of reference of "how to be armenian", which can concorde or not with the way we grew in the diaspora. Some of us are thinking that the "race", the culture, is disapearing. I'm not convinced since their is at least one kernel which will remain armenian, no matter how it evolves.
Some people may return back to armenia, some people may stay. These formers will have very few problems concerning this fact, the latters will ever wonder.

I don't know what to do either. Around me there is many examples, good or bad. However, i'm sure of one thing, the fact that being both armenian will never be the garantee of a good mariage.

[whitelotus]

thankyou sag gal for making that point, i agree with you, we are a very selfish and stubborn ethnicity, we want everyone to bend to us, rather then the opposite .

respect who you marry, and have them respect you, have a understanding of who you both are, different or similar. Dont mold someone to fit your ethnicities ways, let them also keep who they are.

[SagGal]

i don't see myself marrying anyone who isn't Armenian. Like I said in the 'Intermarriage" thread, it may lead to problems such as different traditions, religions and things like that.

And for those of you who said that u will mary a girl who's not Armenian as long as she cooks armenian and does everything armenian, that's quite selfish on ur part. What about her traditions and her family's/nationality's way of living?

[SexyAries]

My parents have always been against me marrying any other race other than Armenian, but they have recently made an exception. He can be half Armenian and half something else, they say. Personally i prefer an Armenian, not because I'm racist but because I will understand him, relate to him, and Armenian guys are just hot, smart, respectful, they stand up for themselves and their loved ones, for some reason I've discovered Armenian men to be just great!(well more Armenian men are like this then any other race) Yes i would prefer women to men anyday, but IF i ever do get married to a guy he must be an Armenian man.

[felizitation]

Originally posted by Anonymouse But they do discriminate. We all discriminate. Its our cognitive ability to do so. We are humans, we choose. We are not mindless robots as socialist egalitarians of Leviathan would like us to be.

We may at least choose to not discriminate on the armenianness/armenianity (or whatever you call it in your GodDamn language!)

We may also discriminate people who does discrimination, thus discriminating ourselves