To impress a woman, a man.

[ckBejug]

My wife better never stop criticizing me, and she better take my criticisms as well as I take hers. Of course, complaining gets old fast and she won't last two minutes if she engages in that crap.

I still say confidence is most important. If a girl is insecure, I almost instantly lose respect for her. (By the way, looks and brains are entailed in confidence. She must be confident for a reason.)

Constructive criticism. Otherwise known as "I'm going to make fun of your 'weaknesses' and you damn well better take it well!" Yeah I like that.

[sSsflamesSs]

Togh ays tghanere arachine mi ban irancic nerkayacnen, heto uzen "dominant" linel.

This mentality saddens me beyond words.

After all, my one wish is to spend the rest of my life with an Armenian man, but day after day, I see the possibility of that happening become slimmer and slimmer.

[Anonymouse]

Togh ays tghanere arachine mi ban irancic nerkayacnen, heto uzen "dominant" linel.

This mentality saddens me beyond words.

After all, my one wish is to spend the rest of my life with an Armenian man, but day after day, I see the possibility of that happening become slimmer and slimmer.

Mentality? Apparently you totally misunderstood everything. Oh well but I guess all you evolved and "independent" women will leave aside us "little" and "inconfident" men, thus you all have nothing to worry about and why make a fuss out of nothing is beyond me. So I apologize I obviously have severe manhood problems and missing the picture for I am a loser and inconfident and I need to make up for the insecurities by somehow going for "submissive" brainless robots.

[sSsflamesSs]

Mentality? Apparently you totally misunderstood everything. Oh well but I guess all you evolved and "independent" women will leave aside us "little" and "inconfident" men, thus you all have nothing to worry about and why make a fuss out of nothing is beyond me. So I apologize I obviously have severe manhood problems and missing the picture for I am a loser and inconfident and I need to make up for the insecurities by somehow going for "submissive" brainless robots.

Dear Anon, I wasn't making a jab at you. This mentality - yes, mentality - has troubled me even before this entire discussion/thread took place. Just as you are troubled by the "lesbianish, independent, power hungry" career woman, so am I by the "manipulative, stubborn, hard-headed" control freak of a man. If I have misunderstood you, then it is due to your wording.

What I don't understand is why you have the word "submissive" in quotation marks. Is that not what you are pointing toward? To find a submissive woman?

[sSsflamesSs]

What truly saddens me is this. As I've said before, my ideal mate would be Armenian. This is due to many factors, one of which is that I relate to an Armenian like no other. Then we have our education. We women work our asses off to get higher education, and for who? For what? Heck, I have not met a single Armenian guy (except you Dusken, from what you said, and I greatly respect you for that) that does not carry this same exact mentality that Anon has - that the woman's place is in the house and her career has little to no relevance in the long run. Well excuse me for trying to make myself a better human being by educating myself. This whole ordeal is just phucked up.

A marriage should not be a competition of who is dominant and who is not. It should be a spiritual friendship.

[sleuth]

What truly saddens me is this. As I've said before, my ideal mate would be Armenian. This is due to many factors, one of which is that I relate to an Armenian like no other. Then we have our education. We women work our asses off to get higher education, and for who? For what? Heck, I have not met a single Armenian guy (except you Dusken, from what you said, and I greatly respect you for that) that does not carry this same exact mentality that Anon has - that the woman's place is in the house and her career has little to no relevance in the long run. Well excuse me for trying to make myself a better human being by educating myself. This whole ordeal is just phucked up.

A marriage should not be a competition of who is dominant and who is not. It should be a spiritual friendship.

anna jan for all my love too you... i have to say u totally misunderstood mousy...i was lost too ,when i read his first post about *dominering career women**(i jump on him with my *brainless robot** expression)

All he wants is balance between too different genders...and he has point there...We can't deny the fact that we are women... arman is right..i totally agree..we have to give power to them to LOVE us...isn't that what we are looking for???OUR power is our FEMININITY....basically he wants us to keep our power :P

*A marriage should not be a competition of who is dominant and who is not. It should be a spiritual friendship*

thats ecaxtly what he asks for heheheheh

mousy never said anything about women being just a boring housewife...did i miss something???

[sleuth]

Togh ays tghanere arachine mi ban irancic nerkayacnen, heto uzen "dominant" linel.

This mentality saddens me beyond words.

After all, my one wish is to spend the rest of my life with an Armenian man, but day after day, I see the possibility of that happening become slimmer and slimmer.

Armane xosume bacardzak gexetsik, hogevor irakan arjekneri masin....es aydpesem kartsum...ev kartsumem vor ays txan shat lav haskanum ev enkalume SIRO imaste...kine vore pntrume ENTANIK,SER,HAVATRMUTYUN kartsumem petke enbernumov motena ayn amenin inch asvets armani koxmits....Shat kich mardiken vor talisen knoje hnaravorutyn paylelu vorpes KIN,ev aprelu vorpes KIN...

Bayts kan kanayk vor geradasumen *careere* -an...da irents kamkne...

Es kartsumem vor karelieye hamatexel (i think women can combine career and family)

[dusken]

sleuth: You went off on a rant that had nothing to do with anything. You failed to understand what I meant by being respected as a person as opposed to being respected as a woman.

sSsflamesSs: There is nothing wrong with Anon's point of view when applied to personal preference.

Anonymouse: The gender roles of which you speak are dependant on culture. They are not set in stone. If culture evolves, roles evolve. Just because the dominating career woman is not for you does not mean she is not for someone else. You are repeating yourself by taking your personal partner preference and saying that it is right and everything else is wrong but one cannot know that.

[Anonymouse]

What truly saddens me is this. As I've said before, my ideal mate would be Armenian. This is due to many factors, one of which is that I relate to an Armenian like no other. Then we have our education. We women work our asses off to get higher education, and for who? For what? Heck, I have not met a single Armenian guy (except you Dusken, from what you said, and I greatly respect you for that) that does not carry this same exact mentality that Anon has - that the woman's place is in the house and her career has little to no relevance in the long run. Well excuse me for trying to make myself a better human being by educating myself. This whole ordeal is just phucked up.

A marriage should not be a competition of who is dominant and who is not. It should be a spiritual friendship.

I have a feeling that it was not so much a misunderstanding, but rather a differing view. My whole point here has been that the genders are different and they have their marked differences that cannot change. Earlier I raised a point in how a womans natural role is to nurturer, to raise a family to create. That is natural. Who said one cannot be the above and still be educated or intelligent? Furthermore, what you are arguing for is independence, not being dependent on the husband or the man, i.e. getting a job, a career, supporting yourself. Such is the way of the "modern career woman" and they cannot have a family. The two roles I am mentioning are polar opposites. You will either go in the work field, make a nice lump sum, drive a nice car, and have "independence" but you will never be able to raise a family, because both are jobs and both require dedication. Why is Oprah so successful? She is single, no kids, no family, all her efforts have been given to her work, and she makes some 120 million dollars a year, she is dependent on no man but herself. Now I am not saying this is what you women want, but only drawing a parallel. I'm sorry if my views perturb you, I am not here to convince anyone to somehow "morph" or "shift" into my conception of how a woman should be.

I prefer a traditional woman, one that is about belief in her man, and cooperation. The most debilitating thing is a demanding or controlling female. In this day and age women are actually ashamed to be homemakers or housewifes or dependent on the man. How did this transformation occur to something that is so natural to a woman? It's not about self-surrender or self-sacrifice, it is about self-seeking hedonism. You cannot have love without sacrifice. Obviously most women prefer to be "independent" corporate lackeys as opposed to homemakers, creators and sustainers. To me a female is passive, and submissive. Caring and nurturing the children is the pinnacle of the females psychology and her role in the natural world. These are passive roles. To me a woman isn't going to be loved much long whether on her looks or her level of accomplishment and how much pay checks she brings home, but for her self sacrifice and her nurturing/creating role. A man has to sacrifice by providing for the family and as well consulting with the female. I don't care what anyone says but all women look for a man who has confidence and authority to tell them what to do, for emotional and physical security. It's just most mask this and pretend to be "independent".

Most men, at least those that have not been castrated or turned into a "metrosexual", want a woman who is prepared to surrender power in exchange for love. It's akin to a trade off. For me, a woman who submits and doesn't vie for power or control is representative of love. If she can't trust a man with her whole life, she doesn't love him and doesn't need him, she is "independent". To be feminine is to be dependent on a man and you can't have a feminine women who is independent.

[Anonymouse]

sleuth
Anonymouse: The gender roles of which you speak are dependant on culture. They are not set in stone. If culture evolves, roles evolve. Just because the dominating career woman is not for you does not mean she is not for someone else. You are repeating yourself by taking your personal partner preference and saying that it is right and everything else is wrong but one cannot know that.

I have to disagree on the relativist conception of how "roles change". That is what my Historical Materialist professor argued and I most candidly don't but in to the idea that whether it is roles or morality, that they are somehow "constructed with age". And yes, I am repeating myself that my personal preference is right and everything else is wrong.