Virgin or Experienced?

[Sip]

We did it three times ...

I always get a kick out of this discretization of the act of intercourse! So am I to understand correctly that you define "having sex" (or doing it) as the time it takes from insertion to the male orgazm and that you had 3 orgazms (thus 3 "times")? If that's the definition of "having sex", then that's all I have been asking for (although it's quite a chauvinisitic way of looking at it). So to extend this definition, a male is devirginized after sex which involves insertion with a female resulting in the male having an orgasm?

Sorry to get so anal on this topic but it's just one of my pet peeves. People talking about "relativism" and "virginity" and "losing of virginity", and "doing it n times" without ever having any clear notion of what any of those terms mean. Heck at least I never seem to get a clear cut answer ... it's always assumed that the term is clear. Well, it isn't. As I said, in case of a female, virginity is quite clear cut ... as far as I understand, a female stops being a virgin after her first insertion. I propose using the same definition for the male and stop beating around the bush ... whether the sexual act results in any sort of climax or how long it lasts, is irrelevant to the topic.

Note: Therefore, gays are by definition virgins! And by the same definition, a girl can have non vaginal sex and still be a virgin. That's what makes this whole concept of virginity so rediculous!

[Anonymouse]

I think that's the point - the idea it used to convey in the 18th century is not the idea it conveys NOW. End of argument.

I think you are not making sense. Did you re-read that atrocious sentence before submitting it? We all know you are justifying your prurient ways, no need to really.

[Darorinag]

lol... Anon, seriously, what the hell are you on? That sentence was a very sane one.. you're making no sense. I'm not justifying anything. I'm only expressing my point of view. Stop with the intimidation tactics.

[Anonymouse]

I always get a kick out of this discretization of the act of intercourse! So am I to understand correctly that you define "having sex" (or doing it) as the time it takes from insertion to the male orgazm and that you had 3 orgazms (thus 3 "times")? If that's the definition of "having sex", then that's all I have been asking for (although it's quite a chauvinisitic way of looking at it). So to extend this definition, a male is devirginized after sex which involves insertion with a female resulting in the male having an orgasm?

Sorry to get so anal on this topic but it's just one of my pet peeves. People talking about "relativism" and "virginity" and "losing of virginity", and "doing it n times" without ever having any clear notion of what any of those terms mean. Heck at least I never seem to get a clear cut answer ... it's always assumed that the term is clear. Well, it isn't. As I said, in case of a female, virginity is quite clear cut ... as far as I understand, a female stops being a virgin after her first insertion. I propose using the same definition for the male and stop beating around the bush ... whether the sexual act results in any sort of climax or how long it lasts, is irrelevant to the topic.

Note: Therefore, gays are by definition virgins! And by the same definition, a girl can have non vaginal sex and still be a virgin. That's what makes this whole concept of virginity so rediculous!

There is a clear notion. Language is not assumed. You don't have to like it.

[Anonymouse]

lol... Anon, seriously, what the hell are you on? That sentence was a very sane one.. you're making no sense. I'm not justifying anything. I'm only expressing my point of view. Stop with the intimidation tactics.

It is not intimidation, unless you are intimidated, for why else would you bring it up?

[angelik22]

dan shut up- just beacause i said taht doesnt mena i dotn think- i didnt say we shouldnt analyze it-- im gonna come over there and give u a smack on the head- lol amot kez--
btw find a better word for UNthinking please, it annoys me

[hyebruin]

a married friend once told me that she felt like a virgin every time she and her husband did it..and she would say to him "your touch feels like a first time every time " (or some such thing)...i thought it was hillarious and "out there"...but just smiled politely!

[Anonymouse]

a married friend once told me that she felt like a virgin every time she and her husband did it..and she would say to him "your touch feels like a first time every time " (or some such thing)...i thought it was hillarious and "out there"...but just smiled politely!

Did you know, that according to Dan, there is no real definition of anything, because words actually mean something other than what they mean? So your friend was not a virgin.

[hyebruin]

Did you know, that according to Dan, there is no real definition of anything, because words actually mean something other than what they mean? So your friend was not a virgin.

ayyyy you kids give me grey hair..hahahahaaa (not really! i just wanted to say that---sounds cute )

[Darorinag]

I always get a kick out of this discretization of the act of intercourse! So am I to understand correctly that you define "having sex" (or doing it) as the time it takes from insertion to the male orgazm and that you had 3 orgazms (thus 3 "times")? If that's the definition of "having sex", then that's all I have been asking for (although it's quite a chauvinisitic way of looking at it). So to extend this definition, a male is devirginized after sex which involves insertion with a female resulting in the male having an orgasm?

Sorry to get so anal on this topic but it's just one of my pet peeves. People talking about "relativism" and "virginity" and "losing of virginity", and "doing it n times" without ever having any clear notion of what any of those terms mean. Heck at least I never seem to get a clear cut answer ... it's always assumed that the term is clear. Well, it isn't. As I said, in case of a female, virginity is quite clear cut ... as far as I understand, a female stops being a virgin after her first insertion. I propose using the same definition for the male and stop beating around the bush ... whether the sexual act results in any sort of climax or how long it lasts, is irrelevant to the topic.

Note: Therefore, gays are by definition virgins! And by the same definition, a girl can have non vaginal sex and still be a virgin. That's what makes this whole concept of virginity so rediculous!

Amen, amen, amen.

Here's a typical conversation between a couple of anti-relativists who insist that there is a clear-cut definition of losing virginity:

Person A: Virginity is not relative. It means "sexual intercourse."
Person B: Yeah, virginity is not relative. No, it doesn't mean "sexual intercourse", it means "insertion of penis into the vagina", which implies that gay men are technically virgins.
Person A: No no, losing virginity is about having sex. Period.
Person C: Hey guys, I agree that the definition of losing virginity is not relative, but it means that a guy who's having sex with a girl for the first time reaches climax.
Observer: So how do you all know that the term is not relative, and that losing virginity is in case of Person A: sexual intercourse, in case of Person B: insertion of penis into vagina, in case of Person C: a guy reaching climax?
Persons A, B, C: Oh, we *know*!

So much about anti-relativism.