does age matter?

[mariposa]

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Hi mariposa;

You are quite right to ask that question. Mental age does matter a great deal. Someone could be 50 years old; but very childish with his mentality, behaviour and maturity. Some women would say that men usually don't grow up as much as women (maturity wise). I disagree. I have seen some very immature women in my time too.

Basically you cannot go by age. You have to judge and see a man you meet to figure it out yourself. Some guys could be 25 year olds but a great deal maturer than some 45 year old men.

A good way of learning and judging behaviours apart from living it; is either reading effective psychological books or having a few good sessions with a psychologist just to be educated. Sometimes it pays.

Hi Anoush.

I agree.

The problem with learning to judge behaviours is that it eliminates many of them.

[mariposa]

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How about putting the B in boring?

I have to admit this thread JUST got very very very entertaining again.

Sorry Anoush I don't (and didn't) mean to disrespect what you have said at all and I appologize for anything stupid I have said (or might say) about what you have posted. But don't be shocked if some people end up not taking Siamanto (new nickname Emotianto?) very seriously.

From what I read, you sure like to describe yourself and what you say EVEN WHEN you're talking about others and what they say and what you said so applies to you. Are you that self-centered and shallow? How mature of you. So you're the "funny" one (read "fool") around here.

[Siamanto]

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LambBoy; Siamanto is right. We were expanding our conversations about the "child" in us or not. In short we dared to understand and expand further about the philosophical words behind the sayings and you and sip came about not understanding nor wanting to understand or communicate on that level. You made rather silly comments while she was being deep, intelligent and very philosophical in her approach. That's why she said what she said.

It takes a well read, deep, intelligent and a philosophical person to communicate her thoughts as she did. You didn't want to understand it nor was able to appreciate it.

Anoush, Thanks! I'm a bit surprised to see LambBoy be as silly and obnoxious.

[Siamanto]

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Ya'll are seriously taking the "R" out of romance and the "E" out of exciting.

P.S. Have you heard of the expressions....
In case you're not familiar with the expression, it means something like: "You don't appreciate the finer things in life."

How very judgmental of you ... not surprising.

I would say that you are basically reiterating my notion to you with the lack of romance and excitement in your posts. What is this a "I'm rubber you're glue ..." moment?

LOL I find it amusing that someone who - out of the blue - have said
"Ya'll are seriously taking the 'R' out of romance and the 'E' out of exciting"

Finds "judgmental" the reply "You don't appreciate the finer things in life."

LOL I guess that you were being "funny, cool and pertinent" while my reply was "judgmental, boring and irrelevant?"

Go commiserate in a feminine way somewhere else ... get a room!

Can it be that when you said:

They, older women, know what they want and are a million times more stable than girls 21-30 imo.

You meant something like:
When I'm being silly and obnoxious, the older women are stable enough to comfort me with words like "You're a big man, a real man, a superman" while, in similar situations, 21-30 year old girls are "unstable" enough to confront and challenge me?

Something to think about!

[Sip]

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From what I read, you sure like to describe yourself and what you say EVEN WHEN you're talking about others and what they say and what you said so applies to you. Are you that self-centered and shallow? How mature of you. So you're the "funny" one (read "fool") around here.

Wow congrats on your THIRD post Have you read at all what I have said in this thread about this topic? Try starting from page 1.

What's with all these n00bs showing up that seem to think they know everything? But yes, if it makes you happy, I am the "self centered funny one" around here (whatever that means) ... and some people with very large egos who think too highly of themselves tend to get a bit emotionally offended at times with someone like me who doesn't take himself too seriously all the time. Just ask Siamanto how "she" tried to battle wits with me recently (thinking I would just let her get away with talking all sorts of trash wihtout backing it up) and how she got owned and then ran with her proverbial tail between her legs from a real challange.

[Lamb Boy]

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How did you know what they told me? It is soooo comforting hee hee ...

Who is being silly now with the ridiculous fictional scenarios?

[Anoush]

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Hi Anoush.

I agree.

The problem with learning to judge behaviours is that it eliminates many of them.

[Anoush]

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Mariposa jan; you made me laugh for the thruthfulness of your previous statement.

[Siamanto]

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Yes how true. Doesn't the same applies to some men beating their wives; because they can? When they are built huge compare to lesser built women who are the weaker, the more fragile gender? For so many unreasonable and outrageous reasons and because they are certainly NOT man enough and certainly NOT gentleman enough. And because they are psychologically warped and mental quirks.

As well as when a bully bigger guy beats up a smaller built guy; because he can and because he is a smaller guy as a person and as a human being. In short he is a coward.

I totally agree. I would simply add that
1. A man who loses control of his sanity to the point of beating his wife or loved one(s) has serious mental issues
2. I hope that you will agree with me, I think that children and seniors are often as abused as women and for similar reasons

But human beings and children being the little human beings yet to be grown iinto full fledged people indeed possess "spirits and souls". We are beings with a soul. It is said that only animals have no souls; but we all do.

My model also assumes that we are born with a "soul," as suggested in:
"Briefly said, I think that children have no "spirit" and their "soul" animates their playful being"
However, we disagree on whether we're born with a spirit or not. The disagreement may be a matter of semantics as suggested below

Personally, I think that we can think and communicate about what exists only using models - that philosophers have called ontologies and IT specialists call Data Models - where basic concepts - and their relationships - are defined and all "facts" and recorded and communicated using those basic concepts or others derived from the basic ones.
Similar concepts may be defined in a completely or slightly different manner in different models. Some models can more accurately describe/represent certain facts than others and models change, evolve and replaced when, eventually, they become obsolete; in other words, semantics are relative and there are no "Universal or Absolute Models."

Coming back to our subject, what I understand by "spirit" and "soul" may be different from yours - that's why I put them in quotes - and it is unusual to oppose the "soul" and the "spirit" as I do it. Also, please keep in mind that fundamental concepts can be accurately defined only to a certain degree and definitions can be refined in an iterative and interactive manner.

I understand as "soul" what is closer to the animal and emotional in us, the temperament and what we call pnavoroutioun; I understand as "spirit" what is rational, cerebral, formal and technical. Of course, that remains relatively vague and incomplete.

Our understanding of the human body is still relatively limited; but, if I had to associate the above concepts with biological systems/processes, I would say that the "soul" is rather supported by - not reduced to - the Endocrine System while the "spirit" by the Nervous System. That is a relatively complex and controversial subject and, again, I will not go into details. Maybe at another time.

In any case, my concepts of "soul" and "spirit" have no religious connotations and should be considered in view of the many century long discussion about Nature vs. Culture that goes as far as at least Rousseau - the philosopher, if not further.

I hope that the above clarified - at least, a bit - what I mean by "soul" and "spirit?" Please don't hesitate to force me for more elucidation.

However on your next argument about children having no constraints; to this I agree with. I don't know if you ever read though written in Armenian, the 20th century's great Armenian woman writer Zabel Yessayan. She said that as humans we tend to restrict and constrain ourselves to act as society always expects us to act. She says that we let us out of our psychologically, emotionally and soulfully confined cages only when something out of the ordinary happens in our lives; such as the case of a fatal illness, extreme happiness, death or an accident for instance. Then we forget ourselves for a while to get back into our initial beings, "souls" that were God given to us from birth.

I don't know her work; but, based on the above, I would consider what Zabel Yessyan describes as the imprisonment, confinement or suffocation of the "soul" by the "spirit."
What would you recommend to read? Thanks.

Considering the person who used the expression, the context where it was used, the person it described - i.e. Brigitte Bardot - and, finally, a cultural background indulgent of the playful, mischievous and - for lack of a better word - the "eccentric;" I'd say that the "child" in Eternal Child had rather positive connotations, similar to the ones that you have mentioned in previous posts.
As for "eternal," I view it as a "modulator" that simply accentuates the good - or bad - in "child."

For the above highlighted and the underlined paragraph please expand a little so that I can try to respond to this intelligently. Thank you.

The way I understand your views to be the "eternal" as an adjustment, an adjusting periods of times that better specifies the good or bad in a child. Do you simply mean the varying ages of a child as he/she is grown and thus is going through trends and changing ways of the right ethics and mores; till he/she is finally grown to find his/her own path in the world?

It seems that the choice of the word "modulator" was unfortunate because it has created more confusion than elucidate; however, if it helps, I'll explain the reason behind my choice - LOL what I should have done in my original post. It's a terminology inspired by signal transmission - i.e. the 'M' in AM/FM - where a modulator is used in the transmission of a "carrier wave." The modulator does not add or subtract information that is contained in the carrier wave. So it was supposed to mean to say that it's only a "support," a "container" and does not participate to the "substance" - that is represented/carried by "child."

In any case, I don't like the metaphor anymore, so let me try it differently. I will first give a simple - probably incomplete - definition, then illustrate the idea with a metaphor.
1- Definition: The "eternal" in Eternal Child means that, at any point in time and under any circumstance, the child is "identical" to itself i.e. can be described by similar well known and identified characteristics - for instance, the list that I have suggested

2- Metaphor: If you consider each frame of a movie as a snapshot of the child at different times and circumstances then the content of the frame - i.e. the picture - is the child's characteristics and the fact the roll is infinite does not add anything to the content of a frame. Eternal Child means something like "the snapshots describe a 'similar' picture."

LOL I hope that the above elucidated instead of creating more confusion???

(Are you familiar with the concept of Eternal Return in Nietzsche? It may help???)

I see what you're trying to say. This same thought applies and it is similar to my above quote from Zabel Yessayan's composition about how a great many individuals tend to place deep hidden their very souls in life to make themselves acceptable and to adjust themselves with the rest of humanity and for their approval.

Yes, as I said earlier, I can easily relate to what she describes.

[axel]

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Are you familiar with the concept of Eternal Return in Nietzsche? It may help???

Siamanto, I am quite disappointed that you haven't mentioned Eliade yet at this point in the thread...

http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Eternal-Return-Princeton-Editions/dp/0691123500

and what about Cioran?

Some models can more accurately describe/represent certain facts than others and models change, evolve and replaced when, eventually, they become obsolete; in other words, semantics are relative and there are no "Universal or Absolute Models."

Just out of curiosity: are you using OMG's MOF as your meta-metamodel?