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Vaccinations (Countering the misinformation of Anti-Vaxx Movement)

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  • #11
    Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
    The FDA gave the go ahead to allow adjuvants in the H1N1 vaccines, the initial batches won't have them but if there is greater demand, the companies will dig into the batches with adjuvants that are being tested on other populations. Adjuvants just make the vaccine more effective with less antigen. Some people will take the vaccine, some won't. Some may die from the flu, some may die from the vaccine. In the end it won't matter either way but billions of dollars will be exchanged in the meantime.
    Who's going to die from the vaccine? Why are you exaggerating? The vaccine is inactive/dead virus... It's getting the N1H1 virus that is producing fatalities. Even the adjuvants are safe, read the above source.
    As for the cost... Yes, we're talking international sales so it's in the billions. But you're failing to compare the cost of vaccine to that of lost work and the cost of medical care and hospitalization for those who are infected.

    Cost-benefit for the regular influenza vaccine makes it worth getting; I cited at least one study that analyzed that. I imagine it would be the same with N1H1.
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    • #12
      Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

      Originally posted by Siggie View Post
      Who's going to die from the vaccine? Why are you exaggerating. Even the adjuvants are safe, read the above source.
      Some people are on the verge of death and the slightest bit of shock to their immune system from stress or excitement will do them in. Then of course an entire autopsy needs to be done to make sure the person didn't die from the vaccine but because of an underlying illness.
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      • #13
        Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

        Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
        Some people are on the verge of death and the slightest bit of shock to their immune system from stress or excitement will do them in. Then of course an entire autopsy needs to be done to make sure the person didn't die from the vaccine but because of an underlying illness.
        Gadag genes? They don't vaccinate those with compromised immune systems with careless abandon. That's absurd.
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        • #14
          Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

          Originally posted by Siggie View Post
          Gadag genes? They don't vaccinate those with compromised immune systems with careless abandon. That's absurd.
          Come on, there are people that get reactions to the slightest thing... don't tell me there won't be some statistics.

          We've been down this road before....

          "Throughout 1976, the swine flu story swung between fear and farce. In August, Ontario's health minister announced the province's first swine flu death, a Goderich man. This, as it turned out, was untrue. A coroner later determined that the victim, who choked on his on vomit, had never been infected.

          At Queen's Park, politicians debated who would get the scarce vaccine. All agreed on police officers and doctors. But should bank tellers be vaccinated? And what about bus drivers?

          In the U.S., Nobel Prize-winning scientist Linus Pauling argued that Vitamin C would fight swine flu better than any vaccine. Here at home, the Toronto Star helpfully suggested that those inoculated against the virus should be required to give up the right to strike.

          Ontario's government hemmed and hawed until, in the end, it decided to offer the vaccine to anyone who wanted it.

          Alas, few did. By December, the Star reported that municipal clinics set up in Toronto to offer free flu shots were shutting down for lack of customers. Which perhaps was just as well. For when several Americans developed a mysterious and deadly paralysis after being inoculated, swine flu shots were abruptly suspended in both countries.

          In the end, the only known death from the 1976 swine flu pandemic was the original army recruit. Outside of Fort Dix, only two other people caught the bug. They both recovered. "

          http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/627097
          Last edited by KanadaHye; 10-21-2009, 03:44 PM.
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          • #15
            Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

            Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
            Come on, there are people that get reactions to the slightest thing... don't tell me there won't be some statistics.

            We've been down this road before....

            "Throughout 1976, the swine flu story swung between fear and farce. In August, Ontario's health minister announced the province's first swine flu death, a Goderich man. This, as it turned out, was untrue. A coroner later determined that the victim, who choked on his on vomit, had never been infected.

            At Queen's Park, politicians debated who would get the scarce vaccine. All agreed on police officers and doctors. But should bank tellers be vaccinated? And what about bus drivers?

            In the U.S., Nobel Prize-winning scientist Linus Pauling argued that Vitamin C would fight swine flu better than any vaccine. Here at home, the Toronto Star helpfully suggested that those inoculated against the virus should be required to give up the right to strike.

            Ontario's government hemmed and hawed until, in the end, it decided to offer the vaccine to anyone who wanted it.

            Alas, few did. By December, the Star reported that municipal clinics set up in Toronto to offer free flu shots were shutting down for lack of customers. Which perhaps was just as well. For when several Americans developed a mysterious and deadly paralysis after being inoculated, swine flu shots were abruptly suspended in both countries.

            In the end, the only known death from the 1976 swine flu pandemic was the original army recruit. Outside of Fort Dix, only two other people caught the bug. They both recovered. "

            http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/627097
            The vaccine or pandemic of 76 is neither here nor there. They have confirmed deaths here. However they are saying it's comparable to the regular flu. The problem is that it's a new strain that people don't have immunity for (unlike the seasonal flu).

            Are you asserting that medicine and vaccine formulation/production have not seen any improvement in 32 years?
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            • #16
              Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

              Originally posted by Siggie View Post
              The vaccine or pandemic of 76 is neither here nor there. They have confirmed deaths here. However they are saying it's comparable to the regular flu. The problem is that it's a new strain that people don't have immunity for (unlike the seasonal flu).

              Are you asserting that medicine and vaccine formulation/production have not seen any improvement in 32 years?
              Media hype is media hype... still the same companies making money. The deaths due to "swine flu" have been less than those for the seasonal flu. As far as whether or not medicine and vaccine formulation has improved or not... we still haven't been back to the moon remember?
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              • #17
                Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

                Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                As far as whether or not medicine and vaccine formulation has improved or not... we still haven't been back to the moon remember?
                How does this make any sense? We haven't been back to the moon because there's been no reason for an expensive mission somewhere we've already been therefore medicine and vaccine formulation have not improved. Is that was you're saying? What kind of logic defying reasoning is that?
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                • #18
                  Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

                  Found a map that details the extent of swine flu's reach. Black is swine flu deaths, orange is confirmed cases of swine flu.

                  Guess which country is swine flu free surrounded by countries with the infection

                  Azerbaboon: 9.000 Google hits and counting!

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                  • #19
                    Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

                    Originally posted by Siggie View Post
                    How does this make any sense? We haven't been back to the moon because there's been no reason for an expensive mission somewhere we've already been therefore medicine and vaccine formulation have not improved. Is that was you're saying? What kind of logic defying reasoning is that?
                    There hasn't been a reason to improve flu vaccine formulation either. The production of it might be faster but the formulas are still the same. People will buy into anything that is available since it's not something they can make at home. And you still can't prove whether it has benefits. My father used to get them and got sick just the same. Others I've spoken to had the same experience and then there are those that swear by it and it helps them. To each his/her own.

                    Originally posted by federate View Post
                    found a map that details the extent of swine flu's reach. Black is swine flu deaths, orange is confirmed cases of swine flu.

                    Guess which country is swine flu free surrounded by countries with the infection :d
                    lmao! hold on... I think this just means Armenians go with the orange juice vaccine
                    Last edited by KanadaHye; 10-21-2009, 04:26 PM.
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                    • #20
                      Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

                      Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                      There hasn't been a reason to improve flu vaccine formulation either. The production of it might be faster but the formulas are still the same. People will buy into anything that is available since it's not something they can make at home. And you still can't prove whether it has benefits. My father used to get them and got sick just the same. Others I've spoken to had the same experience and then there are those that swear by it and it helps them. To each his/her own.



                      lmao! hold on... I think this just means Armenians go with the orange juice vaccine
                      I posted references for efficacy. It is effective.
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