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Vaccinations (Countering the misinformation of Anti-Vaxx Movement)

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  • #41
    Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

    I'll go as far as to say this H1N1 "vaccine" won't save a single soul because it's already too late. That's why it is being released only after the flu has peaked. I feel sorry for the poor saps that are waiting in lines to play a part in governmental charades.
    Last edited by KanadaHye; 10-26-2009, 06:44 AM.
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    • #42
      Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

      Flu season is between November and April. The "peak" varies but it is typically in January or February.
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      • #43
        Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

        Are there flu seasons for people who live in moderate climates?

        As Canada begins its "swine flu" vaccinations... there are 4 reported deaths linked to the swine flu vaccines administered in Sweden as well as reports of high fevers after vaccination. Over 50% of Canadians polled said they will be choosing not to get the H1N1 vaccine.

        What to believe... what to believe. The popular media or rumours... they are both kinda iffy hmmmmm.
        Last edited by KanadaHye; 10-26-2009, 11:52 AM.
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        • #44
          Bye Bye Small Pox

          Originally posted by Phil Plait

          According to Wikipedia, the last naturally occurring incident of smallpox (Variola minor) happened on this date in 1977:
          By the end of 1975, smallpox persisted only in the Horn of Africa. Conditions were very difficult in Ethiopia and Somalia, where there were few roads. Civil war, famine, and refugees made the task even more difficult. An intensive surveillance and containment and vaccination program was undertaken in early and mid-1977. The last naturally occurring case of indigenous smallpox (Variola minor) was diagnosed in Ali Maow Maalin, a hospital cook in Merca, Somalia, on 26 October 1977.



          In the 20th century, smallpox is estimated to have killed hundreds of millions of people. Hundreds of millions. Imagine the United States — the entire country, from the Pacific to the Atlantic — empty, devoid of people, dead. Smallpox wiped out that many people with room to spare.

          And yet, today, it’s gone.

          Why do you think that is? Homeopathy? Detoxification? Thinking good thoughts?

          Nope. Vaccinations. A global campaign was undertaken in 1950, and within 30 years smallpox was struck from the face of the Earth.

          Hey Jenny McCarthy, Meryl Dorey, and all you antivaxxers and your ilk: got a response to this? Still want to claim vaccines don’t work? Still want to stop people from getting them? Do you want to see this happen to children all over the planet again (WARNING – SERIOUSLY! -VERY DISTURBING IMAGE ). Because if you are successful in your campaign to stop vaccinations, that’s what we’ll be facing again.

          Vaccines are perhaps the single greatest triumph of modern medicine. Yet a vocal minority willing to trash facts, spin the truth, and generally spout misinformation is putting not only themselves but you, me, and everyone at risk.

          Happy anniversary, smallpox, gone these past 32 years. And may I add, good damn riddance. May reason, rationality, and science-based medicine do the same for every other threat to the health and well being of the human race as well.

          Link to source
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          • #45
            Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

            Now... small pox is believed to have originated in Africa and then spread to India and China thousands of years ago. The first recorded smallpox epidemic was in 1350 BC during the Egyptian-Hittite war.

            So it was only a disease that killed about 30% of those who contracted the disease. Like most diseases it's more likely present in unsanitary conditions and more than likely fatal to people that are malnutritious.
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            According to the official figures of the Register General of England, only 109 children (under 5) in England and Wales died of smallpox in the twenty-three years ending December 1933. But 270 died of vaccinations in the same period in these two countries. Between 1934 and 1961, not one smallpox death was recorded, and yet during this same period, 115 children under 5 years of age died as a result of the smallpox vaccination. This ultimately forced the government to repeal the Vaccination Act for smallpox.

            The situation was just as bad in the USA. An article in the July 1969 issue of Prevention Magazine stated that 300 children in the USA died from the complications of smallpox vaccine since 1948. Yet during that same period there was not one reported case of smallpox in the country. In October 1971, Dr. Samuel Katz, Duke University Medical Centre, speaking at the annual meeting of the American Academy of Pediatrics, said that an average of six to nine individuals die each year from smallpox vaccinations. Authorities eventually abandoned the vaccine, as Dr. Archie Kalokerinos of Australia points out:

            "About 10 to 15 years ago, some of my colleagues in the United States gave me some very interesting information. They said that smallpox vaccination had been stopped, not because smallpox had been wiped out, but because they were having trouble with the vaccine. They would vaccinate an individual and that individual would give active smallpox to a contact. The whole thing was out of control and they weren't game to use it."

            This is probably why Professor Ari Zuckerman, a member of the World Health Organization's advisory panel on viruses has stated, "Immunization against smallpox is more hazardous than the disease itself."

            Even the British Medical Journal (1/5/1976) stated: "It is now accepted that the risks of routine smallpox vaccination outweigh those of natural infection in Britain."

            "Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship ... To restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others, will constitute the Bastille of medical science."

            -- Benjamin Rush, M.D.
            Signatory to the Declaration of Independence
            Physician to George Washington

            "If humanity is to pass safely through its present crisis on earth, it will be because a majority of individuals are now doing their own thinking."

            -- Buckminster Fuller

            http://www.naturodoc.com/library/pub...ox_vaccine.htm

            History of small pox:
            http://dermatology.about.com/cs/smal...smallpoxhx.htm
            Last edited by KanadaHye; 10-26-2009, 07:23 PM.
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            • #46
              Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

              I got the smallpox vaccine at age 2. I know of countless others who got it at various ages as well. I don't know of a single complication.
              This is anecdotal, however your numbers aren't much more informative.

              You're also citing the number of deaths from the disease at a time when the disease was widely administered. That number would be reduced by the effectiveness of the disease. How about the numbers BEFORE the vaccine? You also conveniently omitted the majority of the about.com article which said positive things. Then you quote a quack alternative medicine, natural medicine, junk-science site for the information saying the vaccine was harmful.


              Originally posted by CDC
              Smallpox Vaccine Safety

              The smallpox vaccine is the best protection you can get if you are exposed to the smallpox virus. Anyone directly exposed to smallpox, regardless of health status, would be offered the smallpox vaccine because the risks associated with smallpox disease are far greater than those posed by the vaccine.

              There are side effects and risks associated with the smallpox vaccine. Most people experience normal, usually mild reactions that include a sore arm, fever, and body aches. However, other people experience reactions ranging from serious to life-threatening. People most likely to have serious side effects are: people who have had, even once, skin conditions (especially eczema or atopic dermatitis) and people with weakened immune systems, such as those who have received a transplant, are HIV positive, are receiving treatment for cancer, or are currently taking medications (like steroids) that suppress the immune system. In addition, pregnant women should not get the vaccine because of the risk it poses to the fetus. Women who are breastfeeding should not get the vaccine. Children younger than 12 months of age should not get the vaccine. Also, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) advises against non-emergency use of smallpox vaccine in children younger than 18 years of age. In addition, those allergic to the vaccine or any of its components should not receive the vaccine. Also, people who have been diagnosed by a doctor as having a heart condition with or without symptoms, including conditions such as previous myocardial infarction (heart attack), angina (chest pain caused by lack of blood flow to the heart), congestive heart failure, and cardiomyopathy (heart muscle becomes inflamed and doesn’t work as well as it should), stroke or transient ischemic attack (a “mini-stroke” that produces stroke-like symptoms but not lasting damage), chest pain or shortness of breath with activity (such as walking up stairs), or other heart conditions being treated by a doctor should not get the vaccine at this time. (Heart disease may be a temporary exclusion and may change as more information is gathered.) Also, individuals who have 3 or more of the following risk factors should not get the vaccine at this time: high blood pressure diagnosed by a doctor; high blood cholesterol diagnosed by a doctor; diabetes or high blood sugar diagnosed by a doctor; a first degree relative (for example, mother, father, brother or sister) with a heart condition before the age of 50; and/or, currently a cigarette smoker. (These may be temporary exclusions and may change as more information is gathered.)

              In the past, about 1,000 people for every 1 million people vaccinated for the first time experienced reactions that, while not life-threatening, were serious. These reactions included a toxic or allergic reaction at the site of the vaccination (erythema multiforme), spread of the vaccinia virus to other parts of the body and to other individuals (inadvertent inoculation), and spread of the vaccinia virus to other parts of the body through the blood (generalized vaccinia). These types of reactions may require medical attention. In the past, between 14 and 52 people out of every 1 million people vaccinated for the first time experienced potentially life-threatening reactions to the vaccine. Based on past experience, it is estimated that 1 or 2 people in 1 million who receive the vaccine may die as a result. Careful screening of potential vaccine recipients is essential to ensure that those at increased risk do not receive the vaccine.
              http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/smallpox...cts.asp#safety
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              • #47
                Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

                If you read the history, the disease had begun being treated as early as 1000 BC.

                Taken from Wiki:

                "Inoculation was allegedly first practiced in India as early as 1000 BC, and involved either nasal insufflation of powdered smallpox scabs, or scratching material from a smallpox lesion into the skin. However, this idea has been challenged as few of the ancient Sanskrit medical texts of India described the process of inoculation. Accounts of inoculation against smallpox in China can be found as early as the late 10th century, and the procedure was widely practiced by the 16th century, during the Ming Dynasty. If successful, inoculation produced lasting immunity to smallpox. However, because the person was infected with variola virus, a severe infection could result, and the person could transmit smallpox to others. Variolation had a 0.5–2% mortality rate; considerably less than the 20–30% mortality rate of the disease itself."

                The small pox vaccine was developed over thousands of years until it became a near perfect science.

                Now how is it that it made a huge impact and come back in the 20th century? And in the UK and USA which supposedly are now the "first world" countries
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                • #48
                  Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

                  Oct. 21, 2009

                  Swine Flu Cases Overestimated?

                  CBS News Exclusive: Study Of State Results Finds H1N1 Not As Prevalent As Feared

                  http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...MainColumnArea

                  Every death in Canada is now reported due to swine flu even though there is absolutely no evidence that it is the cause of death. In fact, possible meningitis deaths are being reported as swine flu without any diagnosis. This is very poor and irresponsible reporting by the media.

                  Originally posted by Siggie View Post
                  Then you quote a quack alternative medicine, natural medicine, junk-science site for the information saying the vaccine was harmful.
                  Junk science is using the trial and error method of developing vaccines and using entire populations for testing. It's kind of like being the first person to eat the poisonous mushroom.
                  Last edited by KanadaHye; 10-27-2009, 06:31 AM.
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                  • #49
                    Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

                    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                    Oct. 21, 2009

                    Swine Flu Cases Overestimated?

                    CBS News Exclusive: Study Of State Results Finds H1N1 Not As Prevalent As Feared

                    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...MainColumnArea

                    Every death in Canada is now reported due to swine flu even though there is absolutely no evidence that it is the cause of death. In fact, possible meningitis deaths are being reported as swine flu without any diagnosis. This is very poor and irresponsible reporting by the media.
                    That's a problem with the media not reporting on only the confirmed cases.

                    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post

                    Junk science is using the trial and error method of developing vaccines and using entire populations for testing. It's kind of like being the first person to eat the poisonous mushroom.
                    It's not trial and error. Every year they try to predict which strains of influenza will be most prevalent and include those in the seasonal flu vaccine. H1N1 is done the same way. The base is the same as the seasonal flu is the same, but they are including killed strains of H1N1 virus instead or the other varieties of influenza virus. What is so hard to wrap our heads around? It's not a completely new thing that's never been tested in any shape or form.
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                    • #50
                      Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

                      Originally posted by Siggie View Post
                      It's not trial and error. Every year they try to predict which strains of influenza will be most prevalent and include those in the seasonal flu vaccine. H1N1 is done the same way. The base is the same as the seasonal flu is the same, but they are including killed strains of H1N1 virus instead or the other varieties of influenza virus. What is so hard to wrap our heads around? It's not a completely new thing that's never been tested in any shape or form.
                      There are news stories trying to sway public opinion on getting the H1N1 vaccine by claiming the US is getting the live virus vaccine and the Canadian vaccine is the killed strain so it is safe. What incentive would a reporter have to make up stories? If the seasonal flu is the same, then once you get sick, you should be immune to it. There is no H1N1 outbreak and it is not deadly, why are they so persistent with selling this to the public?
                      Last edited by KanadaHye; 10-27-2009, 07:09 AM.
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