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Vaccinations (Countering the misinformation of Anti-Vaxx Movement)

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  • #21
    Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

    Originally posted by Siggie View Post
    I posted references for efficacy. It is effective.
    I know, but my car insurance is also supposed to be a reflection of my superior driving record but alas... they still bend me over the table because they can.

    I'm not saying it's not at all helpful, I'm just saying I'll play the odds and pass it onto someone who believes they need it. I'll stick to OJ, chicken soup and my bottle of scope whitening (with peroxide) for the soar throat.
    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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    • #22
      Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

      Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
      I know, but my car insurance is also supposed to be a reflection of my superior driving record but alas... they still bend me over the table because they can.

      I'm not saying it's not at all helpful, I'm just saying I'll play the odds and pass it onto someone who believes they need it. I'll stick to OJ, chicken soup and my bottle of scope whitening (with peroxide) for the soar throat.
      Again... Car insurance? O_o

      That's fine, you don't have to get vaccinated.
      It's the elderly and children who benefit most anyway.
      [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
      -Henry Ford[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

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      • #23
        Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

        Originally posted by Siggie View Post
        Again... Car insurance? O_o

        That's fine, you don't have to get vaccinated.
        It's the elderly and children who benefit most anyway.
        Should we go onto discussing other vaccines as well... perhaps polio?

        SV40 and the Public Health

        Despite the government’s foot dragging, in the last several years, scientists from around the world have made startling and disturbing discoveries. They have found SV40 antibodies in a significant percentage of people including children who were too young to receive the SV40 contaminated vaccines of the early 1960’s.[81] They have also discovered that cancers with SV40 are less likely to be responsive to chemotherapy and radiation because SV40 interferes with the genes necessary for cancer cells to die when they are exposed to chemo or radiation therapy.[82]

        The Institute of Medicine Report

        In July 2002, the National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine (IOM) Immunization Safety Committee convened a study into SV40 and cancer which culminated in a report published in October 2002. According to the IOM report “SV40 Contamination of Polio Vaccine and Cancer”:


        http://www.sv40foundation.org/CPV-link.html
        "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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        • #24
          Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

          Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
          Should we go onto discussing other vaccines as well... perhaps polio?

          SV40 and the Public Health

          Despite the government’s foot dragging, in the last several years, scientists from around the world have made startling and disturbing discoveries. They have found SV40 antibodies in a significant percentage of people including children who were too young to receive the SV40 contaminated vaccines of the early 1960’s.[81] They have also discovered that cancers with SV40 are less likely to be responsive to chemotherapy and radiation because SV40 interferes with the genes necessary for cancer cells to die when they are exposed to chemo or radiation therapy.[82]

          The Institute of Medicine Report

          In July 2002, the National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine (IOM) Immunization Safety Committee convened a study into SV40 and cancer which culminated in a report published in October 2002. According to the IOM report “SV40 Contamination of Polio Vaccine and Cancer”:


          http://www.sv40foundation.org/CPV-link.html
          I wish you'd cite the IOM report directly. This sv40foundation is not a scientific source.

          It still remains that even if a batch of the vaccine from 1962 was contaminated with SV40, the rest of our vaccines have been safe, particularly the childhood vaccines and influenza ones the antix-vaxxers are against. The vaccine was brand new in '62 and early in our history of vaccine development. Medicine has never been perfect (we need only look back a measly 50 years or so to see that), but it does better than doing nothing. We've made huge improvements; life expectancy has increased and countless diseases and illnesses that were not treatable are now completely preventable and/or treatable.
          [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
          -Henry Ford[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

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          • #25
            Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

            Originally posted by Siggie View Post
            I wish you'd cite the IOM report directly. This sv40foundation is not a scientific source.

            It still remains that even if a batch of the vaccine from 1962 was contaminated with SV40, the rest of our vaccines have been safe, particularly the childhood vaccines and influenza ones the antix-vaxxers are against. The vaccine was brand new in '62 and early in our history of vaccine development. Medicine has never been perfect (we need only look back a measly 50 years or so to see that), but it does better than doing nothing. We've made huge improvements; life expectancy has increased and countless diseases and illnesses that were not treatable are now completely preventable and/or treatable.
            I prefer independent sources and sources from legal activists.... all the required research and information is in the footnotes.

            Oh, and according to the claims...

            "This foundation was created by Raphaele and Michael Horwin, parents of Alexander Horwin. Alexander was born on June 7, 1996. He was administered the oral polio vaccine in November 1997. On August 10, 1998, Alexander was diagnosed with a malignant brain cancer, medulloblastoma. Alexander died on January 31, 1999.

            Four independent laboratories (Baylor College of Medicine, University of Chicago, University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Temple University) used DNA testing (Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR)) or laser micro-dissection to test Alexander’s tumor for the presence of SV40. Every lab found that the tumor tissue contained the virus."

            Alexander’s parents were tested for SV40 by two independent laboratories (Baylor College of Medicine, University of Wales) using a number of PCR tests. All tests demonstrated that the parents did not carry the virus."
            Last edited by KanadaHye; 10-22-2009, 07:54 AM.
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            • #26
              Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

              Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
              I prefer independent sources and sources from legal activists.... all the required research and information is in the footnotes.

              Oh, and according to the claims...

              "This foundation was created by Raphaele and Michael Horwin, parents of Alexander Horwin. Alexander was born on June 7, 1996. He was administered the oral polio vaccine in November 1997. On August 10, 1998, Alexander was diagnosed with a malignant brain cancer, medulloblastoma. Alexander died on January 31, 1999.

              Four independent laboratories (Baylor College of Medicine, University of Chicago, University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Temple University) used DNA testing (Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR)) or laser micro-dissection to test Alexander’s tumor for the presence of SV40. Every lab found that the tumor tissue contained the virus."

              Alexander’s parents were tested for SV40 by two independent laboratories (Baylor College of Medicine, University of Wales) using a number of PCR tests. All tests demonstrated that the parents did not carry the virus."
              These parents are not independent, nor are legal activists. The scientific sources report on data. What you cite is a single case. It could be argued that he could have gotten the virus elsewhere. That is why we require science. Because they can examine the rates of virus in those who got the vaccine and those who didn't, then delve deeper and isolate the batch, as it seems that they did.

              I granted the contamination of the batch. It still does not mean that vaccines as a whole are not beneficial. I am arguing the point about scientific sources because they are more reliable than a single case. You think science is evil and it's all a big conspiracy. Yet, if that quote from the IOM report isn't pulled out of context, it appears that lots of scientists got right on the issue to figure out what happened and they were honest about it. Your science paranoia is unjustified and it is at odds with the rest of your beliefs. Unless you don't go to physicians at all, take any medications (OTC or Rx), nor benefit otherwise from anything that science has contributed to (which is an impossibility), your views are hypocritical.
              [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
              -Henry Ford[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

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              • #27
                Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

                Originally posted by Siggie View Post
                These parents are not independent, nor are legal activists. The scientific sources report on data. What you cite is a single case. It could be argued that he could have gotten the virus elsewhere. That is why we require science. Because they can examine the rates of virus in those who got the vaccine and those who didn't, then delve deeper and isolate the batch, as it seems that they did.

                I granted the contamination of the batch. It still does not mean that vaccines as a whole are not beneficial. I am arguing the point about scientific sources because they are more reliable than a single case. You think science is evil and it's all a big conspiracy. Yet, if that quote from the IOM report isn't pulled out of context, it appears that lots of scientists got right on the issue to figure out what happened and they were honest about it. Your science paranoia is unjustified and it is at odds with the rest of your beliefs. Unless you don't go to physicians at all, take any medications (OTC or Rx), nor benefit otherwise from anything that science has contributed to (which is an impossibility), your views are hypocritical.
                You also require science to create biological weapons which sometimes get mixed up with the batches that are supposed to be given to the public. I guess you just need more world experience as to how the real world works. There are no such thing as conspiracies... they are natural events due to the inherent evils of mankind.
                "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                • #28
                  Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

                  Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                  You also require science to create biological weapons which sometimes get mixed up with the batches that are supposed to be given to the public. I guess you just need more world experience as to how the real world works. There are no such thing as conspiracies... they are natural events due to the inherent evils of mankind.
                  Oh suuuure. I guess I've been living in a different world than you or I just haven't lived enough. I'm sure the few years difference in our ages is the culprit for our incongruent opinions.
                  [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
                  -Henry Ford[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

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                  • #29
                    Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

                    Originally posted by Siggie View Post
                    Oh suuuure. I guess I've been living in a different world than you or I just haven't lived enough. I'm sure the few years difference in our ages is the culprit for our incongruent opinions.
                    Do you doubt the existence of biological warfare?
                    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                    • #30
                      Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

                      Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                      Do you doubt the existence of biological warfare?
                      Did I say that? We're not talking about biowarfare. You're saying they're mixing it up with things meant for the public? What?! You think they're accidentally sprinkling anthrax in our influenza vaccines?
                      [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
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