The Ottomans

[Kanki]

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That would be my dream. Still, Turks originated in Mongolia. They spread like cancer in Central Asia in the sixth century AD and subjugated and destroyed the Iranian nomadic peoples of Central Asia (known as the Turanians) and still hold those lands that amount to over four million square kilometers, i.e. about five times larger than Turkey. Enough to hold all of you plus the “Azeri” subspecies.


Noah is just another plagiarized character in Jew mythology, besides, only human beings are supposed to have descended from Noah, Turks are the whelps of the Gray Wolf and they say it themselves.

Turks didn't originated in Mongolia,We originated in Central Asia and Western Sibiria. Mongols and Turks irrelevent sociaties. Mongols(Their Chengiz Empirer) destroyed some inhabitants(Turks) of Central Asia (Such as - in Horasan Turkmenistan). Also Oghuz Turks had moved to West (Anatolia) because of China attacks. If Turks were not created by God. Anatolia and Europe could face with chinese invasion. Turks were always a buffer society in history.

Grey Wolf is a Mitology. Not real... only symbol... according to Grey wolf mitology, China defated all Turks but Turks appear again from female Grey Wolf
. so you see it is a only mit. Symbol..

[Kanki]

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By the way, Do You know ,why China set up Super Wall ?

[Hellektor]

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When the Othman tribe of perhaps 30,000 men set up their tents on the shores of the Marmara Sea in the 14th century, most of them had never been to a seashore (never mind seen a sea-going vessel) in their lives. Yet 100 years later their warships were besieging Constantinople. And 100 years after that, the Ottoman fleet was transporting soldiers and mercenaries to the Italian peninsula, with the aim of taking Rome

You can thank the multitudes of Byzantines that had become Ottomanized and scores of European mercenaries that fought for the Sultan.

And the treacherous Bulgarian who built modern (for the day) canons for the Turks, the key to their rape of Constantinople.

Earlier, our dear Greek brothers who brought the Bagratunis, the guardians of the eastern flank of the Byzantine Empire, to the verge of destruction on grounds of stupid religious differences (they mixed water with their wine in church rites unlike us who use pure wine) caused the Turks to lay their paws on our civilized region in 1071 and crush everything under their hoofs, not to speak about the treachery of the Byzantine Emperor Romanus Diogenes's commander of rearguard, Andronicus Ducas, who in the middle of battle, retreated to Constantinople to get a higher political position for himself. It is after this event that in reality the Byzantine Empire had fallen and only existed in name in and around Constantinople. The total fall was only a matter of time...

[Hellektor]

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Turks didn't originated in Mongolia,We originated in Central Asia and Western Sibiria. Mongols and Turks irrelevent sociaties. Mongols(Their Chengiz Empirer) destroyed some inhabitants(Turks) of Central Asia (Such as - in Horasan Turkmenistan). Also Oghuz Turks had moved to West (Anatolia) because of China attacks. If Turks were not created by God. Anatolia and Europe could face with chinese invasion. Turks were always a buffer society in history.

Turks originated in Mongolia. They spread throughout Central Asia AFTER the sixth century AD, subjugating and destroying the indigenous Iranian inhabitants known as the Turanians.

Grey Wolf is a Mitology. Not real... only symbol...

I know! So is Noah.

By the way, Do You know ,why China set up Super Wall ?

To keep your grandpaws and grandclaws away… We didn’t know your kind yet. Had our ancestors only known the danger and built a similar wall... Alas and alack!

[Hellektor]

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Mongols(Their Chengiz Empirer) destroyed some inhabitants(Turks) of Central Asia (Such as - in Horasan Turkmenistan). Also Oghuz Turks had moved to West (Anatolia) because of China attacks.

History is always 180 degrees opposite of the truth for the Turk. It was the Chinese who were being invaded by your Mongol grandpaws and not vice versa.

Khorassan is in Iran, not Turkmenistan. It does not belong to Turks. The Turkmens in Khorassan are comers.

If Turks were not created by God (Indeed! H.). Anatolia and Europe could face with chinese invasion. Turks were always a buffer society in history.

This wolf in sheepskin behavior is truly funny. I have said this elsewhere and it always disturbs some but I'll say it again: I don't believe in god, because the existence of the Turk precludes the existence of god.

If god existed he/she/it wouldn't have, couldn't have, shouldn't have created the Turk. Turk and god are therefore mutually exclusive.

[Kanki]

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Turks originated in Mongolia. They spread throughout Central Asia AFTER the sixth century AD, subjugating and destroying the indigenous Iranian inhabitants known as the Turanians.

Turks were always in Central Asia! Our known history started with Great Asian Hun Empire ( Not European Huns ) Empire lasted BC 220 And 56...
And This the map http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../2e/Hunlar.PNG
China defated Huns and they divided 2 parts East and West East huns destroyed by China and West huns moved Europe and mixed Europeans( They mixed with Fin-Ugor peoples and occured Magnar People 300s AC If you observe Magnar History they are Turkic origin-Hungary- Their language is different from Europeans and has still about 1200 words with Modern Turkey's language) They turned Catolic Christinity, culturally were affected Europeans. Isolated from their Eastern Cousins and changed. If You want I can list the words.

And East Huns, got back their independence from China set First and Second Gokturk States in central Asia look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kt%C3%BCrks

After that Uygur Empire 742-848

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_Empire

By the way in 751 Turks changed their Tengrist Shamanizm religion to Islam.

After That Karahans and Harzemsah states were set up
and then Great Seljuk Empire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seljuks

Seljuks came to Anatolia in 1048 Pasinler War ...and 1071 Mazgirt ensured the victory. 1080-81 many small Armenian Central ANatolian feodal states included Seljuks and they mixed with Turks (I don't mention Adana Maras or Erzurum I mention Capadokia)

In 1293 Mongols despoiled and destroyed Seljuk Turks. More than 3 or 4 millions Turks were massacred by Mongols.

After that in Central Asia a powerful Turkish State couldn't created. But in Anatolia Ottomans Appeared.


Turks originated in Central Asia, but also moved Mongolia (Eg Uygurs were created in Mongalia) But all the other and first states were in Centre

[Kanki]

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Khorassan is in Iran, not Turkmenistan. It does not belong to Turks. The Turkmens in Khorassan are comers.
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Horosan is Turkish ancient city and Today it is in Turkmenistan's lands not Iran.It is destroyed by Mongols Today there is no Horasan.

[dani87]

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Horosan is Turkish ancient city and Today it is in Turkmenistan's lands not Iran.It is destroyed by Mongols Today there is no Horasan.

ancient turkish city? there is no such thing. Turks do not engage and never did in building cities because behavior of that kind does not lye in Turkish nature.

Khorasan is a big region and a part of it is within the border of Iran.

edit: you just gotta explain this thing with "Horosan" being an ancient turkish city. Where did you get your info from, crazy stuff going on.

[Anoush]

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History is always 180 degrees opposite of the truth for the Turk. It was the Chinese who were being invaded by your Mongol grandpaws and not vice versa.

Khorassan is in Iran, not Turkmenistan. It does not belong to Turks. The Turkmens in Khorassan are comers.


This wolf in sheepskin behavior is truly funny. I have said this elsewhere and it always disturbs some but I'll say it again: I don't believe in god, because the existence of the Turk precludes the existence of god.

If god existed he/she/it wouldn't have, couldn't have, shouldn't have created the Turk. Turk and god are therefore mutually exclusive.

I totally agree with you Hellektor as always!!!!!

It was indeed the Chinese that throughout history were constantly attacked by and invaded by the mongolian turks NOT the other way around. That is why the Great Wall of China was created by the Chinese, to keep the barbaric mongolian turks away from their country. Thus the Chinese have normally been peaceful people.

I also agree with dani87, turks have never been one to create or build cities. Their palaces until 1915 were built by Armenian great architects NEVER by turks. Unfortunately though turks were known to demolish our monasteries, our ancient Churches and buildings. It's very sad but it's the truth.

[lampron]

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The Armenians did not ask for it but I doubt that it has ever occurred to any specimen of the Turkic parasite that:

“Did the Armenians ask the Turks to invade their home?
Did the Armenians ask, after 4000 years of civilization, the Turks who were in the lowest stages of evolution, to come and rule over them?
Did the Armenians ask the Turks to subjugate this highly civilized ancient nation and become their masters?
Did the Armenians ask the Turks to come and stop their progress?
Did the Armenians ask the Turks to come and destroy their farmland, churches, monasteries, cemeteries, towns and cities?
Did the Armenians ask the Turks to treat them like their reaya?
Did the Armenians ask the Turks to settle the Kurds in Armenia to harass them for 500 years to make sure the Armenians would never summon up enough force to raise their heads and liberate their homeland from their barbaric yoke?
Did the Armenians ask the Turks to steal their children for 500 years for janissary?
Did the Armenians ask the Turks to change the name of their country, provinces, cities, towns, mountains, lakes and even flora and fauna?
Did the Armenians ask the Turks to still squat in their home after they exterminated the landlord?”

Hellektor, it is impossible not to be moved by the accounts of Aristakes of Lastivert. Even if there might be some one sidedness, there is probably no doubt that terrible things happened.

In the life of individuals as well as nations there are challenges. Christianity teaches us to be prepared for hard times and calamities. Do church leaders prepare the masses? Much of world history is about empire builders and victims. The Othmans, or Seljuks or Oghuz or Ak-koyunlu, Kara-koyunlu etc took advantage of the Armenians' inability to organize and fight. Whether it was the Byzantines, Bulgarians, Armenia's poor geography,the cruelty of the Seljuks, Turks etc...in the end, it was down to the Armenians to free themselves from oppression. The Russians did it by themselves (from the Tatars) but not Armenians, Greeks etc