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  • #31
    Re: Origin of Armenian Surnames

    Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
    I like the way you guys analyze these things, very informative.
    Thanks Eddo, I'm glad I can help.

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    • #32
      Re: Origin of Armenian Surnames

      Does anyone know what guedelekian means? I heard guedelek was turkish for butterfly, but celebek is the turkish word for butterfly, and i don't see how you get guede from cele


      Originally posted by Lucin View Post
      Morghabi is just not any water bird, it is much like duck but it has brown or black stains on it (haven't heard of any English word for it), while a duck is usually plain white. Goose would be ghu in Farsi.?

      ducks come in many colors

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      • #33
        Re: Origin of Armenian Surnames

        Gudde (Arabic root) means "old rag" in Turkish.
        "All truth passes through three stages:
        First, it is ridiculed;
        Second, it is violently opposed; and
        Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

        Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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        • #34
          Re: Origin of Armenian Surnames

          Originally posted by Gavur View Post
          Gudde (Arabic root) means "old rag" in Turkish.
          so someone like a shoe polisher or window cleaner? how exciting

          Do you know anything about Kralian?

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          • #35
            Re: Origin of Armenian Surnames

            Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
            I like the way you guys analyze these things, very informative.



            To Lucin:
            Balle, shoma dorost migin.

            Morghabe is a duck………….after I posted my message and thought about it I realized my mistake, forgot the name of the goose though.
            I sure have forgoten alot now that I think about it. Terrible. I guess I should stop telling my best friend "rhak too sar tow chete, mage Irani nisti. chetoor mitoone yadet berre." hahaha

            Khaily moteshakeram Khanoom.
            lol, khahesh mikonam.


            Originally posted by ara87 View Post

            ducks come in many colors

            In English that is... in Farsi, for instance the colourful ones have a different name. It is just a characteristic of the languages, there are some African tribes with languages in which they have only four or five terms representing all the colours while we seem to have a term for each colour...

            Does anyone see a relation between 'duck' and 'ordek'?
            Last edited by Lucin; 06-09-2009, 11:36 PM.

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            • #36
              Re: Origin of Armenian Surnames

              Originally posted by ara87 View Post
              so someone like a shoe polisher or window cleaner? how exciting

              Do you know anything about Kralian?
              Or like a second hand clothes merchant, Also if the spelling is Güde.That is a name of a village in Turkey (see map) belonging to Pazaryeri county, which means a place for market (bazar)
              Last edited by Gavur; 06-09-2009, 11:38 PM.
              "All truth passes through three stages:
              First, it is ridiculed;
              Second, it is violently opposed; and
              Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

              Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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              • #37
                Re: Origin of Armenian Surnames

                Thats near Bilecik where my Grandma was from.
                "All truth passes through three stages:
                First, it is ridiculed;
                Second, it is violently opposed; and
                Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                • #38
                  Re: Origin of Armenian Surnames

                  Originally posted by Lucin View Post
                  Does anyone see a relation between 'duck' and 'ordek'?
                  Apparently, the English adopted the name "duck" for this animal as a derivative of the Old English verb "ducan" (to duck, bend down low as if to get under something, or dive). This replaced the old word for duck: "æned".

                  Scroll down to etymology: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck

                  Learn something new every day :P

                  We simply cannot be too hasty in looking for genetic relations between words without checking their etymologies/history. For instance, when we try to compare the words "picture" and Arm. "Patker", they look similar on the surface, but "pict-" in picture comes from a Middle English word meaning "to paint" (which also explains the verb, "to depict"), while "Pat" in Armenian means "wall" and "ker" must have something to do with writing. So English "Picture" roughly means Paint-thing, while Armenian "Patker" roughly means Wall-writing. Totally unrelated etymologically = totally unrelated genetically. Today the words Picture and Patker both can describe a common thing, a photograph. But we must see through these modern day surface commonalities and survey the history of evolution for each word, scanning for imbedded words/stems within them that used to be more obvious, but today require greater effort and scrutiny to notice as our languages have evolved considerably since words like "Patker" and "Picture" were first coined.
                  Last edited by jgk3; 06-10-2009, 04:42 AM.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Origin of Armenian Surnames

                    Originally posted by jgk3 View Post
                    Apparently, the English adopted the name "duck" for this animal as a derivative of the Old English verb "ducan" (to duck, bend down low as if to get under something, or dive). This replaced the old word for duck: "æned".

                    Scroll down to etymology: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck

                    Learn something new every day :P

                    We simply cannot be too hasty in looking for genetic relations between words without checking their etymologies/history. For instance, when we try to compare the words "picture" and Arm. "Patker", they look similar on the surface, but "pict-" in picture comes from a Middle English word meaning "to paint" (which also explains the verb, "to depict"), while "Pat" in Armenian means "wall" and "ker" must have something to do with writing. So English "Picture" roughly means Paint-thing, while Armenian "Patker" roughly means Wall-writing...
                    Are you sure "ker" would be equal to 'writing'? To write is actually "grel" or "krel" (in western Armenian) so I'm guessing it is closer to "nkar" meaning photo in Armenian, and "nkarel" which means to paint or to take a picture depending on the context... With that said it would be something like Wall-painting in Armenian and Paint-thing in English... if the latter is true, then they would be actually related etymologically.
                    Last edited by Lucin; 06-10-2009, 08:09 AM.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Origin of Armenian Surnames

                      The real question is which came first... the hav or the havgit?
                      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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