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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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    The Dutch parliament has inquired into the statement by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who expressed his support of Azerbaijan in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, a spokesperson for the Dutch Foreign Ministry told Sputnik on Wednesday.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik), Alexander Mosesov – On Monday, Erdogan stated that Turkey supports Azerbaijan in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and that the region would return to Azerbaijan at some point in the future. The statement was made amid the international reaction calling for the secession of hostilities.
    "Our parliament has inquired into this subject as well," the spokesperson said, confirming that the Ministry received a request for further information in answer to a question on the Dutch reaction to Erdogan's statement.

    On Tuesday, a ceasefire came into force between the self-proclaimed Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and Azerbaijan, following four days of clashes that led to fatal casualties on both sides. The ceasefire deal was reached during a meeting between the heads of the Armenian and Azerbaijani General Staff in Moscow.

    The conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh began when the Armenian-dominated autonomous region sought to secede from the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic, before proclaiming independence as the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic after the Soviet Union's collapse in 1991.

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    General Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.


    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Originally posted by Joseph View Post
      I truly hope so but it seems for every one Azeri killed the get several of our guys- at least in Tavush.
      Brother isn't the issue eventually to kill as much azeris as possible for every one of our boys?? We hold the higher ground in Mrav and Nakhichevan! We should be massacring their positions!!


      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Originally posted by ArmeniaSacra View Post
        Brother isn't the issue eventually to kill as much azeris as possible for every one of our boys?? We hold the higher ground in Mrav and Nakhichevan! We should be massacring their positions!!
        Agree. More aggressive actions are required.
        General Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.


        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Azerbaijan says implementing Nagorno-Karabakh ceasefire, rejects
          Armenia’s claims

          April 06, 9:30 UTC+3 BAKU

          The defense ministry said Armenia’s reports that Azerbaijan’s forces
          have violated the ceasefire agreement several times are "ungrounded"

          BAKU, April 6. /TASS/. Azerbaijan abides by the agreement on ceasefire
          in Nagorno-Karabakh but the situation along the front line remains
          tense, the country’s defense ministry said in a statement on

          "The Armed Forces of Azerbaijan strictly comply with the agreement
          between the sides on cessation of military operations on the contact
          line of forces from April 5," the statement reads.

          The defense ministry said Armenia’s reports that Azerbaijan’s forces
          have violated the ceasefire agreement several times are "ungrounded."

          In its turn, the ministry reported 115 ceasefire violations by
          Armenia’s forces. The shelling targeted Azerbaijan’s positions on the
          border between the two countries and in Nagorno-Karabakh.

          "In line with operative situation, Azerbaijan’s Armed Forces carried
          out 120 fire attacks on the positions and dug positions of the enemy,"
          the statement reads.

          The situation along the line of contact in the Nagorno-Karabakh
          conflict zone deteriorated dramatically overnight to April 2 when
          fierce clashes began. The parties to the conflict accused each other
          of violating the truce.

          The Armenian and Azerbaijani defense ministries announced cessation of
          combat operations in Nagorno-Karabakh from 11:00 a.m. (0800GMT) Moscow
          time on April 5.

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            Here's a view from one of the Orcs

            Azerbaijan’s War of Attrition: A New Strategy to Resolve the Karabakh Conflict?

            Publication: Eurasia Daily Monitor Volume: 13 Issue: 67April 6, 2016 03:30 PM Age: 2 hrs
            By: Zaur Shiriyev

            The escalation of tensions between Armenian and Azerbaijani armed forces along the line of contact (LOC) saw the outbreak of a five-day exchange of fire, the bloodiest since the 1994 ceasefire agreement. The latest clashes ended with a mutually agreed ceasefire on April 5. According to official estimations from both sides, the Azerbaijani side lost 31 soldiers (, April 6), while Yerevan’s last official statement—not updated—says they lost 20 men, with 26 soldiers missing (, 5 April). Both countries have also lost military equipment, including tanks and military helicopters.

            The outbreak of clashes prompted speculation about the timing—both the Azerbaijani and Armenian presidents were in Washington, DC, for the Nuclear Summit. Russia’s approach also led to questions: Moscow contented itself with a statement calling for an end to the violence, rather than the expected intervention to demonstrate Russia’s key role in the Karabakh conflict. This is precisely what happened back in August 2014, when hostilities were cut short by Moscow’s involvement. It was suggested at the time that Moscow had manufactured the escalation of tensions in order to show off its mediation capacity to the West, emphasizing Russia’s regional influence on the eve of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s (NATO) September 2014 summit in Wales (Caucasus Analytical Digest, September 17, 2014).

            But Moscow did not attempt such an intervention during the recent clashes, despite their devastating outcome. Moreover, the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), the Moscow-led military bloc in which Yerevan has placed its hopes, limited itself to calls to end the fighting. It did not support the Armenian position. On the contrary, one member state, Kazakhstan, released a statement of neutrality, while another, Belarus, declared that the conflict should be resolved based on international legal principles of territorial integrity, creating deep bewilderment in Yerevan (Euro Belarus Information Service, April 4). These two developments undercut early speculation by some analysts that Moscow had also manufactured this month’s skirmishes, in order to punish Azerbaijan for attempting to revitalize relations with the United States and the West, following a long period of relative disengagement.

            Azerbaijan’s military offensive and its policies during the period of escalation may have been precipitated by a “gentlemen’s agreement” between Baku and Moscow; or Russia could have given Azerbaijan a kind of “green light” for military action, as long as the latter refrained from pushing Armenia to question its strategic alliance with Moscow. Whether or not such an understanding was reached, clearly Baku did not cross Moscow’s red line—i.e. April’s military operation did not lead to a full-fledged war. At the same time, Russia benefits financially from this situation and so is taking a business-like approach. The Azerbaijani army’s military offensive means that Baku will need to negotiate the purchase of replacement military equipment from Moscow in the future. At the same time, Yerevan is also requesting help to arm its military. This situation strengthens Russia’s role in conflict management.

            However, Azerbaijan’s military strategy suggests this was not just a case of displaying military muscle. Rather, Baku apparently hoped to open up the way for the diplomatic resolution of the conflict, bringing Armenia to the negotiations table by militarily changing the status quo along the LOC.

            The overall situation shows that Azerbaijan’s military commanders had planned in advance for their army units—with some degree of support from the air force—to be prepared to react to an Armenian violation of the LOC. Armenia’s strategy was to rely on a hazardous landmine zone on its side of the LOC. This zone would be much harder to penetrate for Azerbaijani forces, and would result in devastating personnel losses (Crisis Group, Europe Briefing no. 71, September 26, 2013). If they succeeded in getting through the second echelon of defense, Azerbaijani army units would face mobilized Armenian units.

            The aim of the Azerbaijani forces was to isolate Armenian units that had been cut off near the various fortifications along the contact line, and operations were launched in five directions (Anadolu Agency, April 2). With that, the initial goal was to take strategic heights—providing an important advantage in terms of targeting military infrastructure. By April 3, when Baku declared a unilateral truce, Azerbaijani forces had taken Lele Tepe, a small peak in occupied Fuzuli region; a hill around the Talish village in the Aghdere region; and the Seysulan settlement (APA, April 2). Azerbaijani forces calculated that Armenian troops would mobilize to take back these lost territories, and Azerbaijan would respond by deploying Orbiter 2M weaponized drones with the Spike-LR missiles system. This response also enabled Azerbaijani troops to capture other nearby strategic locations. In total, Armenia lost three positions in the southern direction and three in the northern direction (, April 4).

            By not pursuing a limited war strategy, Baku demonstrated its strategic approach—a short, sharp intervention. This can be described as a policy of attrition: wearing down the enemy to the point of compromise through continuous losses. The idea is that Armenian defense forces will now be more vulnerable to targeting by Azerbaijani offensives from higher ground, leading to greater losses in the future, and/or a forced retreat.

            However, the ultimate goal of Azerbaijan’s attrition strategy is actually to bring Armenia back to the negotiations table, as maintaining the military status quo along the LOC will now be more costly for Yerevan and could spark domestic turbulence in Armenia. The latest clashes destroyed the belief that Azerbaijan is not prepared to use force. Whether or not Baku’s strategy will work depends on the international environment, how the mediators and Yerevan react, and whether the situation achieves anything in terms of the diplomatic resolution of the conflict. This strategy also holds disadvantages for Baku: First of all, it will require the purchase of more armaments, which in the current economic conditions is problematic. Also, it may incur further losses on the front line, especially if Armenia tries to retake the military positions that Azerbaijan gained. Yerevan might also launch a preventive attack at any time. During the recent clashes, the majority of the population was very supportive of the government’s military actions. But more troop fatalities in the absence of a resolution could damage public backing.

            In sum, the strategy of attrition warfare seems to demonstrate a new approach by Baku toward conflict resolution. It may achieve short-term success, if international mediation efforts capitalize on the current momentum to push for a resolution. Otherwise, in the long term, this strategy could spark a full-blown war.
            General Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.


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              He posed 4 hours ago,I don't get it I tought we retook all positions


              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Հայտնի է դարձել Ադրբեջանի ԶՈւ ևս մեկ սպանված զինծառայողի՝ Սահիլ Շիրինովի ինքնությունը


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                  They're going nuts on Arkady's video because he is (supposedly) saying it was not a full scale assault, but a recon mission. So the sheep are foaming at the mouth thinking they didn't get their asses handed to them, but instead this was a test run (where their asses were handed to them, so....)


                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Originally posted by argin View Post
                    He posed 4 hours ago,I don't get it I tought we retook all positions


                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Relax people. Those of us that we're mature and watching 1988-94 war minute by minute remember awfull days when it seemed that any hour we would hear about final evacuation of Artsakh. This kind of feeling dragged by days and months. But at the end we learned something, that if your soldier wants to stand and fight, then Azeris are nothing to not overcome. Allmost daily we heard of miracles in our guys turned around or destroyed columns of Azery tanks with just a couple of RPGs and a handful of grenades.
                      How a group of us took a village from well dug in enemy with few AKs and grenades.
                      We had the smarts not to let enemy corner us in any village or mountain, later coming back and winning.
                      I remember when some of our commanders had to BEG with our heroes to retreat from a village or position.
                      Unlike Azeris,life of a comrade is the most sacred for our soldier.
                      We have fought against helicopters with WWI rifles, dueled with Azery artillery with homemade rockets made of tractor hydraulic Pistons.
                      That's who we are, we got this in our blood. Azeris fear that more than they fear Allah. They have always feared it. We forgot.
                      Now is very different from when sultans army came with fighters from Balkans all the way to Afghanistan, all hungry for blood and loot. For young Christian slaves. Numbering tens of times more than poor villagers armed with nothing who survived and sometimes won.
                      That times are long gone. But genes stay the same.
                      There is nothing Azeris have that can scare us. No Sultans army, no janissaris, no crouwd of thousands coming for loot. They did it 100 years ago the last. But not anymore.
                      They have besieged us for past 25 years just like they used to besiege our towns. But they forget that this is not 15th century. We will not starve to opening the gates.
                      In more than 2000 days of first war we were loosing 4-5 fighters per day, but we won. We could not afford to loose and still cannot. There is nothing to fear.
                      I totally disagree with some experts around that Azeris did a reconnaissance by fight in past days. Every fight Turks have done is to grab. Grab a land or victory, anything that their enemy does not hold firm. But if they can't, they swing their heads with illusions that they did.
                      They stopped the fight this time because they could not grab. Dead were piling up but nothing coming out comparable to 1992-93.
                      We are doing much better. We kill Azeris much better now. And they saw this.
                      How much diffrence will Israeli or Russian weapon make? As much as we let it...
                      If we don't weaver, they don't make a single diffrence.
                      Last edited by Hakob; 04-06-2016, 02:47 PM.