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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Bloomberg and Reuters do not cover issues concerning Azerbaijan and Armenia very often, but when they do, frequently both are wrong, and none has shown a deep understanding about the real problem in the region.


    Reacting to today's report by the International Crisis Group (ICG) on the increasing risk of war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, both Bloomberg and Reuters appear incorrect, and even sometimes biased. The Nagorno Karabakh conflict is not a land dispute between Armenia and Azerbaijan, but rather an issue of people's right to self-determination, like in Southern Sudan, Kosovo and East Timor.

    "Escalating frontline clashes, a spiralling arms race, vitriolic rhetoric and a virtual breakdown in peace talks increase the chance Armenia and Azerbaijan will go back to war over Nagorno-Karabakh," ICG reports today and calls on both countries to take measures to decrease tensions and to sign a document endorsing basic principles for resolving the issue peacefully.

    Zulfugar Agayev writes for Bloomberg from Baku that "oil-exporting Azerbaijan and land-locked Armenia fought a war over Nagorno-Karabakh after the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991 that left tens of thousands of people dead and more than 1 million displaced." Reuters' Margarita Antidze writes "the two countries fought a war over Nagorno-Karabakh which broke away from Muslim Azerbaijan with the help of Christian Armenia during the collapse of the Soviet Union."

    These reports do not correctly represent the situation because they cast the actual dispute, a people's right to self-determination, as a land dispute between Armenia and Azerbaijan. We call these reports biased because no reporter from Armenia or Nagorno Karabakh was involved in preparing these stories.

    Presenting the issue of Nagorno Karabakh as a land dispute between Azerbaijan and Armenia equals siding with the former. Azerbaijan likes to present the issue in this manner. In reality, with Stalin's iron hand the enclave of Nagorno Karabakh was given to Azerbaijan in the beginning of the 20th century. At that time no one could say anything. While the issue is not of religious nature, the cultural, religious and human rights Christian Armeniain majority of Nagorno Karabakh were systematically abused by the authoritarian regime in Baku. At the break up of the Soviet Union, the people of Nagorno Karabakh conducted a referendum (to which the Azeri minority of the republic did not participate) and voted for Nagorno Karabakh's independence. Azerbaijan fearing its losing land, started the war and invaded Nagorno Karabakh. Armenia, which has strong cultural and linguistic ties with Karabakh, sided with the later preventing the humanitarian catastrophe.

    A ceasefire was signed between Armenia, Nagorno Karabakh and Azerbaijan in 1994. Azerbaijan tebds to present the issue as a land dispute between itself and Armenia, yet it signed the ceasefire with Nagorno Karabakh in 1994.

    Russia, France and the United States are mediating the conflict and have put forward basically principles one of which calls for a referendum to determine the final status of Nagorno Karabakh.

    ICG is calling on the international community to intensify its peace efforts. For nearly twenty years the issue has not been solved, but it can be now, if we all come to respect people's right to self determination. The international community respected Southern Sudan's right, Kosovo's right and East Timor's right to self-determination and there is peace in these regions now. It is high time to bring peace and friendship for the people of Nagrono Karabakh, Azerbaijan and Armenia, this year.

    Armen Hareyan is HULIQ's editor in chief

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      The ICG takes Aliyev's threats too seriously. He has to threaten in order to seem tough, but he very well known the big risks and consequences that can come about on his country and more importantly his wallet if he attacks Karabakh.
      Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
      ---
      "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Originally posted by londontsi View Post
        Therefore there are other issues with the enemy. Reasoning, they seem so “keen to fight”, why haven't they thus far.
        Aliyev is trying to get concessions on the peace table from Sarkisian....he almost succeeded to get the seven districs back without a time table on NKRs self determenation and status. Serj had to backpeddal on that one.

        With that said Aliyev is unpredictable regardless of many reasons why he should not act (8 of them).
        B0zkurt Hunter

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by Federate View Post
          Thanks Karabed. According to that report, Azerbaijan has these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-63_Plamen which I had never heard of. I just finished reading the entire link by Karabed and I really recommend it. It's very indepth and has a projection of the battle strategy Armenia and Azerbaijan will probably take, including an attack on Gandzak (Ganja) and the Mingchevir reservoir that would cut off electricity to half the country.


          I do not trust icg. Now if jane's had said this, I'd be more willing to accept it. Regardless, the system is old and if they do have it, it will not make a drastic difference. If anything, we'll probably capture them since they are position on the front lines and are used to support the troops at the forefront.
          For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
          to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



          http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
            Aliyev is trying to get concessions on the peace table from Sarkisian....he almost succeeded to get the seven districs back without a time table on NKRs self determenation and status. Serj had to backpeddal on that one.

            With that said Aliyev is unpredictable regardless of many reasons why he should not act (8 of them).
            My understanding is that the Azeri want a solution based on territorial integrity.
            Meaning the borders of the Soviet Union.

            Even if the “seven districts were offered”, the Azeri would see it only as a milestone
            in the negotiations process towards their ultimate goal TI, Soviet Borders.
            The gap is very wide indeed.
            Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
            Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
            Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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              If that Serg gives out once inch of land to azeris, alot of diaspora armenians will be disappointed with their homeland, and will not care anymore about it. Including me.
              Our goal should be to liberate more lands, NOT to hand out what little we have cuz some turk backed by the US says so.
              I can't even believe we're talking about this.

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                Omg stop that serj IS FROM ARTSAX no one will give land to the turks stop please,the only one thinking seriously about it is you not even aliev i bet dont believe in the junk he say.

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                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Originally posted by arakeretzig View Post
                  If that Serg gives out once inch of land to azeris, alot of diaspora armenians will be disappointed with their homeland, and will not care anymore about it. Including me.
                  Our goal should be to liberate more lands, NOT to hand out what little we have cuz some turk backed by the US says so.
                  I can't even believe we're talking about this.
                  We are talking about what may or may not have happened during the negotiations.
                  How can we understand the background issues if we do not discuss them.

                  We are not discussing "what to concede to acheive peace".
                  Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                  Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                  Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                      Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                      We are talking about what may or may not have happened during the negotiations.
                      How can we understand the background issues if we do not discuss them.

                      We are not discussing "what to concede to acheive peace".
                      You guys should remember back in 2009 a deal was almost made to return the seven districts (or most of them) which surrounds NKR (Buffer Zones) while keeping the lachin corridor in exchange for greater international legitimacy of Artsakh but it fell through due to strong protest from Armenians from everywhere, and the fact that there was no timetable for recognition, and that Aliyev wanted the right of return of Azeris to NK before a popular vote for self determination/status was taken (that way majority of voters would have been Azeri). Epic Fail

                      At the moment all talks have pretty much frozen and we are just shooting at each other from the trenches and running military exercises at the lines of contact.
                      B0zkurt Hunter

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