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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by armnuke View Post
    Damn it's still going..

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    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Originally posted by londontsi View Post
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      Lele Tepe in the size of the losses. bloody winter of 1994, Armenian forces in these areas given over 400 victim

      Google Translation from http://www.aniarc.am/2016/05/14/lele...atul-hakobyan/




      Karabakh Army positions in southern and territorial losses in April 2016

      Occupied by Azerbaijani forces on April 1-2, 2016 at Lele Tepe hill or hill in Horadiz villages and Horadiz station in between, to the part of the Aras river to the north.

      In the May 1994 ceasefire on the contact line and the Horadiz village of Fuzuli region remained Artsakh, and the station, as part of Azerbaijan.

      Lele's first Tepe hill talked about losing Artsakh Defense Ministry's Head of Operations at Victor Arstamyan at the April conference. "Lele Tepe can not be regarded as strategically important, because the diameter of the top of the mountain is 5 meters. Compared with the overall landscape, its height is 20 meters. Position system is essential, even if it has no strategic importance. With no mention of having strategic importance " .

      Then Serzh Sargsyan Bloomberg said in an interview that "the Armenian side during battles over territory lost", "very small part" of contact line between the north and the south, which had "strategic importance" for the armed forces who are trying to bring them , "in order to avoid new victims" .

      Lele Tepe was a "very small portion" of the real size

      We, naturally, will have 100% accurately represent how the position and Artsakh's southern territorial loss, Lele Tepe's direction, but being familiar with the area, studying maps, comparing the positions of Armenia and Azerbaijan on April 1-2, 2016 and the night before it's done, we can have the reality about image.

      Thus, Lele Tepe in Artsakh army lost 7 positions, which together account for 1.5 to 2 km long and 500 m up to 1 km depth .

      Lele Tepe

      To say that this is a very great loss, not justified. But we can also constantly told that Lele Tepe has no importance. this section of the contact line is mainly lowland, and each level is important in conditions like landscape.

      The sad and tragic it was that the Karabakh army positions Tepe Lele gave dozens of fatalities and injuries.

      In the January 1994 tragedy

      Before the ceasefire in May 1994, the Karabakh forces storm reached Horadiz railway station. It was some time under the control of Armenian forces. In the first days of January 1994, the Azerbaijani army began an offensive in three directions: Martakert- Kelbajar, Agdam-Martuni regions and Horadiz. The enemy brought Horadiz railway station. Azeri forces managed to break through the first week of January and 5 km wide and about 15 kilometers south-emerge in the Hadrut direction. Also contributing to the transition to the rear of the Karabakh forces Azeri subversive grouping Iran.

      In this article I prepare, according to the 1991-1994 period at my disposal. War victims' list counted how much the number of victims or Lele Tepe Horadiz section of the 1994 bloody winter months. Horadiz with fierce battles were going to attract. The Armenian side has been 400 victims . The victims of the Armenian side during the two and a half years of the Karabakh war, soldiers and civilians, is about 7,000.

      Varanda / Fizuli region,

      Fizuli district and the city of the same name, formerly called Karyagino . In 1930, on a part of the former Russian Empire Yelizavetpol province Karyagino region (уезд) formed a new administrative unit, which, in 1959, in honor of the poet Mohammed Fizuli, renamed Fuzuli.

      Before the proclamation of Azerbaijan, 1918, Karyaginon mainly populated by Russian Molokans.

      NKR-Azerbaijan contact line ceasefire established in May 1994 through the former Soviet Republic of Azerbaijan Fizuli region.

      Precision is difficult to tell which part of Fuzuli region from Azerbaijan. When we look at the map, we see that the region is less than half of the territory. Given that up to 1993 (this is the day of August 23, when the liberation army entered without serious losses Fizuli) region is an area of ​​1386 square kilometers, one can say that today is approximately 600 square kilometers is part of Artsakh.

      Artsakh is not a part of the former territory of Fuzuli almost inhabited, while there are 22 settlements in the territory of the Fizuli region of Azerbaijan. Amongst the biggest settlement of Horadiz settlements.

      Years ago the city authorities of Artsakh and Fizuli district, where dozens of lives, renamed Varanda.

      Who Fizuli

      Fizuli prominent poets and thinkers of the 15th century, Muhammad ibn Suleiman literary name. He was born in the Iraqi city of Karbala, written in Arabic, Persian and Ottoman.

      Tatul Hakobyan
      Tatul Hakopyan is Soros paid and operated.

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Originally posted by armnuke View Post
        Tatul Hakopyan is Soros paid and operated.
        So what.

        The issue should be, Can you dispute any of the stated facts.

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        Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
        Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
        Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Tatul is correct on this one. Azeri troops did cross into Iran and then cross back in the region behind Armenian forces. The Armenians forces that were routed were green/new troops sent by LTP under the command on an inexperienced and corrupt officer. The experienced troops were taken off-line in this sector.
          General Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Originally posted by Joseph View Post
              Tatul is correct on this one. Azeri troops did cross into Iran and then cross back in the region behind Armenian forces. The Armenians forces that were routed were green/new troops sent by LTP under the command on an inexperienced and corrupt officer. The experienced troops were taken off-line in this sector.
              Thank you Joseph for the additional information.

              Are you able to name names, corrupt officer etc, thanks.

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              Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
              Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
              Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                So what.

                The issue should be, Can you dispute any of the stated facts.

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                If Soros is 'so what' for you then I thank you for proving my case. If one looks thoroughly at your posts, he/she would find out that you're also one of them Soros maidan fanboys.
                The issue is much bigger than what you're saying. Don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about.
                Tatul and Civilnet are part of a project which is all about finding a rift in the Armenian-Russian relations, something that will take Armenia down a very dangerous path. Anything Tatul says about loss of land during the April war has no credibility, because this issue has been assigned to him to bring upon riots and protest in Armenia. Land losses have been posted many times with maps and videos. Go back to April/May 2016 and you'll see everything.
                I'll leave it here. On to the next one..
                Last edited by armnuke; 11-14-2016, 05:42 AM.

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                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Originally posted by armnuke View Post
                  If Soros is 'so what' for you then I thank you for proving my case. If one looks thoroughly at your posts, he/she would find out that you're also one of them Soros maidan fanboys.
                  The issue is much bigger than what you're saying. Don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about.
                  Tatul and Civilnet are part of a project which is all about finding a rift in the Armenian-Russian relations, something that will take Armenia down a very dangerous path. Anything Tatul says about loss of land during the April war has no credibility, because this issue has been assigned to him to bring upon riots and protest in Armenia. Land losses have been posted many times with maps and videos. Go back to April/May 2016 and you'll see everything.
                  I'll leave it here. On to the next one..

                  You seem to have disconnect between what you read and what you understand.

                  If you really want to understand my statement read it a number of times word by word and look what relevance it has with what you wrote.


                  PS I will give you a clue, the word "fact".
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                  Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                  Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                  Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                    So what.

                    The issue should be, Can you dispute any of the stated facts.

                    .
                    The same set of facts can be used to tell very different stories. People like Soros have a proven track record of destabilizing countries followed by robbing them. This is why we need to be careful about how the facts stated by his organizations are used.
                    Hayastan or Bust.

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
                      The same set of facts can be used to tell very different stories. People like Soros have a proven track record of destabilizing countries followed by robbing them. This is why we need to be careful about how the facts stated by his organizations are used.

                      Intersting ..... Our President said the lost territories were insignificant.

                      One has to ask why did we fight so hard to an extent that we lost 400 of our men.

                      It's been said that there was treachery involved. OK

                      But we also know this height changed hands a number of times.

                      Clearly both sides considered this very important.

                      Now you may have a dilemma deciding which way to lean .... SOROS or logic.


                      Based on your argument you are also suggesting Serge Sargisyan is a SOROS man ... WHY?

                      Because he was crying on the shoulders of the Germans saying we were fighting with 1970s weapons
                      despite the fact that he had half a dozen Smerch systems parked in his garage.

                      To me that is how Soros propaganda works ..... with lies ... not facts.

                      What is critical for me is what were those lies pursuing.


                      PS He did not even make the slightest effort to mobilise those system despite how dire the situation was.
                      TYPICAL SOROS I would have said.

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                      Last edited by londontsi; 11-14-2016, 06:25 AM.
                      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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