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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    All the azeri news outlets (government controlled) have not mentioned once the Trump tower hanukkah. They did not mention the Trump ending licensing in azeristan.
    Their news is about "Armenia violates ceasefire" and their economy is improving

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        Since there was some discussion on Russia coming to Armenia's help here is an interesting analysis of russia's army https://goo.gl/hCHsJk
        Basically, they currently, have inadequately filled brigades, rely mostly on inexperienced conscripts and mobilization or reservists.Also transporting troops and hardware is a difficult and slow.
        Even when their reforms start to kick in in 2030, their army will still be subpar compared to western armies (the neglect of the 1990's and soviet collapse is biting hard, and will continue to do so for decades)
        In conclusion, Russia relies on their nuclear missles for deterrence against other adversaries with similar capabilities. When it comes to coming for Armenia's help, i think we will not see the same effectiveness like in russian imperial army in 18th and 19th's century, when they were basically wiping the floor with the turks.

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Originally posted by arakeretzig View Post
            Since there was some discussion on Russia coming to Armenia's help here is an interesting analysis of russia's army https://goo.gl/hCHsJk
            Basically, they currently, have inadequately filled brigades, rely mostly on inexperienced conscripts and mobilization or reservists.Also transporting troops and hardware is a difficult and slow.
            Even when their reforms start to kick in in 2030, their army will still be subpar compared to western armies (the neglect of the 1990's and soviet collapse is biting hard, and will continue to do so for decades)
            In conclusion, Russia relies on their nuclear missles for deterrence against other adversaries with similar capabilities. When it comes to coming for Armenia's help, i think we will not see the same effectiveness like in russian imperial army in 18th and 19th's century, when they were basically wiping the floor with the turks.
            Misleading analysis with clear propaganda claims.
            (1) poorly trained ... Propaganda line often employed.
            (2) transport troops & equipment slow and difficult.
            It's true, Russia doesn't have the financing or shear number of equipment. However, if you look at the "team" they put together and transported to Syria, you find the west was shocked at the speed. Again, if you look at the relatively small force they brought to Syria and you see the effectiveness of that force compared to literally hundreds of USA planes in the vicinity, then you see an effectiveness by Russia that is at least 3 or 4 times greater.
            Imo, the article is only meant to rag on Russia while extolling the marvelous west's incredible superiority.
            Propaganda, nothing more.
            HARK

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              Originally posted by arakeretzig View Post
              Since there was some discussion on Russia coming to Armenia's help here is an interesting analysis of russia's army https://goo.gl/hCHsJk
              Basically, they currently, have inadequately filled brigades, rely mostly on inexperienced conscripts and mobilization or reservists.Also transporting troops and hardware is a difficult and slow.
              Even when their reforms start to kick in in 2030, their army will still be subpar compared to western armies (the neglect of the 1990's and soviet collapse is biting hard, and will continue to do so for decades)
              In conclusion, Russia relies on their nuclear missles for deterrence against other adversaries with similar capabilities. When it comes to coming for Armenia's help, i think we will not see the same effectiveness like in russian imperial army in 18th and 19th's century, when they were basically wiping the floor with the turks.
              Very interesting subject. But if you look into Russia's military history it is abvious that Russia has always been subpar with neighboring powers. Actually Russian army is probably the strongest now than it has ever been. From times of Ivan the terrible Russian military has always been plagued with deficiencies.
              Your comment about Russian army wiping the floor with Turks is not correct. The most important factor, which is support and participation of local populations in wars Against Turkish yoke has been the greatest difference.
              Russian Army has not faced Turks in Russia itself but in territories heavily populated by revolting populations. The biggest effects can be seen in Balkan victories and local nations heavy pro Russia participations.
              We, Armenians should never forget our role in all Russia- Turkish conflicts. We should give ourselves credit and see our power where it's due. For place that were populated mainly by Muslims, Russia has done very poorly. Like Dagestan or Chechnya. Those places Russia could not control for more that 100 years and leapfrogged to southern Caucasus mainly with the help of Armenians and Georgians.
              The reality is that history has always been like current Syria. Russia has certainly got the ability to tip a balance of a war with very measured and minimal involvement of resources since the local population is fighting vehemently. Then military establishes bases. Then closest territories fall ander Russian jurisdiction by treaties and become gubernatorates.
              Any future Armenia-Azerbaijan, Turkey conflict outcome will depend on us.
              If we fight hard, Russia will be EMBOLDENED to invest into conflict on our side and fight against Turks.
              But if we act like cowards or unwilling to stand up, Russia will pull out its forces and run faster than we call "help" regardless if it had the strongest army in the world. Check history.
              So this mass guessing efforts by thousands of us for if Russia will help us or not is waist of time, "mildly speaking".
              We make sure we do all we can and above that in the fight, Russia will not loose the opportunity to be in the game to gain the most it can by helping non losers.
              Even the last, 4 day conflict proves my thoughts. If you see clearly thru dust and fog of politics and media, it is clear that for past 6 years Russia was increasingly taking pro Azerbaijan stand. That was because of Azery armament purchases fueled by oil. Russia, not only, everybody else also believed that Azerbaijan would win next war.
              But the miracle of Armenian fighters quickly turned table and Russian priorities about who's the ally in Caucasus.
              Last edited by Hakob; 12-16-2016, 05:01 PM.

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                Originally posted by Hakob View Post
                Very interesting subject. But if you look into Russia's military history it is abvious that Russia has always been subpar with neighboring powers. Actually Russian army is probably the strongest now than it has ever been. From times of Ivan the terrible Russian military has always been plagued with deficiencies.
                Your comment about Russian army wiping the floor with Turks is not correct. The most important factor, which is support and participation of local populations in wars Against Turkish yoke has been the greatest difference.
                Russian Army has not faced Turks in Russia itself but in territories heavily populated by revolting populations. The biggest effects can be seen in Balkan victories and local nations heavy pro Russia participations.
                We, Armenians should never forget our role in all Russia- Turkish conflicts. We should give ourselves credit and see our power where it's due. For place that were populated mainly by Muslims, Russia has done very poorly. Like Dagestan or Chechnya. Those places Russia could not control for more that 100 years and leapfrogged to southern Caucasus mainly with the help of Armenians and Georgians.
                The reality is that history has always been like current Syria. Russia has certainly got the ability to tip a balance of a war with very measured and minimal involvement of resources since the local population is fighting vehemently. Then military establishes bases. Then closest territories fall ander Russian jurisdiction by treaties and become gubernatorates.
                Any future Armenia-Azerbaijan, Turkey conflict outcome will depend on us.
                If we fight hard, Russia will be EMBOLDENED to invest into conflict on our side and fight against Turks.
                But if we act like cowards or unwilling to stand up, Russia will pull out its forces and run faster than we call "help" regardless if it had the strongest army in the world. Check history.
                So this mass guessing efforts by thousands of us for if Russia will help us or not is waist of time, "mildly speaking".
                We make sure we do all we can and above that in the fight, Russia will not loose the opportunity to be in the game to gain the most it can by helping non losers.
                Even the last, 4 day conflict proves my thoughts. If you see clearly thru dust and fog of politics and media, it is clear that for past 6 years Russia was increasingly taking pro Azerbaijan stand. That was because of Azery armament purchases fueled by oil. Russia, not only, everybody else also believed that Azerbaijan would win next war.
                But the miracle of Armenian fighters quickly turned table and Russian priorities about who's the ally in Caucasus.
                I agree with this ..

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                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Originally posted by arakeretzig View Post
                    Since there was some discussion on Russia coming to Armenia's help here is an interesting analysis of russia's army https://goo.gl/hCHsJk
                    Basically, they currently, have inadequately filled brigades, rely mostly on inexperienced conscripts and mobilization or reservists.Also transporting troops and hardware is a difficult and slow.
                    Even when their reforms start to kick in in 2030, their army will still be subpar compared to western armies (the neglect of the 1990's and soviet collapse is biting hard, and will continue to do so for decades)
                    In conclusion, Russia relies on their nuclear missles for deterrence against other adversaries with similar capabilities. When it comes to coming for Armenia's help, i think we will not see the same effectiveness like in russian imperial army in 18th and 19th's century, when they were basically wiping the floor with the turks.
                    Are they for real?
                    In 2008 the Russian Army was much less modernized than it is now and they wiped out Georgia in no time.
                    They're all over Syria.
                    The Turkish Army is not what we thought it is.
                    They lost 3 Leopard tanks in 2 days, yesterday they lost a M60T Sabra tank and a Cobra in another ATGM duet.
                    The same day they lost the 2 Leopards, they lost an F-16C Block 50 advanced in Diyarbakir.

                    Leopards: http://defense-watch.com/2016/12/13/...is-atgm-syria/

                    Yesterday's M60T: http://defense-watch.com/2016/12/16/...vehicle-syria/

                    F-16 Diyarbakir: http://defense-watch.com/2016/12/13/...bakir-airbase/

                    Check out that mediocre tank usage.
                    Last edited by armnuke; 12-16-2016, 10:52 PM.

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Turkey's cant fly. They just flap their wings and make funny noises.
                      F16, F4, cobra, UH1B, CESSNA 172.........makes no difference. It is not in their blood.
                      Sure, you can train them to operate but anything out of ordinary they get, workload overload, freeze, white nuckle on yoke, tunnel vision, response time by tomorrow, situation awareness of a rock, feets off the rudders, auto pilot to the rescue, press every button, fly with one hand on ejector lever, overspeed the engines, spike the turbine temtempreture, air seekness, pee in g suits, black out on 3 Gs, momy help, etc
                      Last edited by Eddo211; 12-17-2016, 12:20 AM.
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