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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by Hakob View Post
    Everything in those links is not coming from single country. All Scandinavian countries looks like work together then in turn work with European Union countries like France and Germany. Even US Boing has chipped in. It's 100% integrated for parts and assemblies.
    Are you guys realistic? Who can we integrate with?
    Our best bet is Russia, Belarus and Kazakistan. Mainly Russia.
    I am a tooling engineer by profession and have worked in manufacturing for over 38 years. I'll tell you guys to produce anything, even a washing machine, you need tons of suppliers, subcontractors and state of the art facilities nowadays.
    Not to mention highly skilled labor force and modern design and manufacturing domestic base.
    All of the above have been destroyed in post Soviet republics over 25 years ago. Only Russia has kept core resources based on military military industry.
    Belarus and Kazakhstan heavily depend on Russia to keep their shadow industries going.
    What you see in Georgia is assembly put together facility that puts together from part kits from turkey, NATO etc. Doing this you would only save money, like buying car kit and assembling. But strategically you do not gain anything except bragging rights and cover on your eyes from reality.
    Azerbaijan is in the same situation. 100% of what manufactures militarily is either Turkish or Israeli copy based on supplied parts. If any money is saved on armements, all 3 economies (Georgians less, us and Azeris 100%) loose by waistfull and corrupt governments.
    The only domestic military industry optimal for countries our size is ammunition manufacturing of every kind, repair and upgrade facilities for equipment in service and research facilities for establishing and improving requirements and ideas for our particular military progress.
    The only possible sustaining or survivable military industries for small countries like us are niche products like lazer rangefinders observation equipment, training, computerized command and control, artillery fire control systems and programs etc.
    I think Armenia has a good potential in all above.
    Why waist time on MRLS if you can buy them from Russia by internal prices. What Georgians make we can buy for fraction of the cost. The most important aspect for any old or new GRAD type is the rockets and control system. What do you gain by putting it on Volvo chassis instead of UAZ and making nice and sharp fenders or side plates? Nothing.
    We have been computerizing Grad controls and are staring to manufacture rockets too.
    Or Azeris making their own Turkish istiglal or Israeli drones. Do they make em more advanced? I doubt very much. Money saved? Very questionable.
    We have to use the same format as EU if we want to go any further. Establish relations with Russia's core military manufacturers and help them manufacture and sell us hardware and stuff designed to our needs buy us and being advanced tech.
    That is what Israel still does with US.
    Then we can get them to supply us with components and material so we can cut corners in price and innovation in international markets and compete to make money.
    Otherwise both, Georgian and azery industries do not impress me into wanting to go their way.
    Our most important issue right now is economic reform. If our government cannot or is not sincere enough in reforming Armenia, then everything is pointless.
    I agree 100%. In fact, a good example for us is the IMI from Israel. http://www.imi-israel.com/

    Upgrading small arms and weapon systems, while adapting russian tech to armenian conditions would be good.

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      Paron Hakob let me just say this and close this topic, i dont want to derail the thread like the others do. ASALA men could not operate in the beka in 70s and 80s if they did not have deep connections with kgb. Case closed my friend. Alot of you guys like to look at things on the surface only maybe because deep in your minds your afraid your armenian pride will be hurt. Lets talk more about this when archives open. About russia, you are playing word games. Russians are natural allies to us. for 200 years we needed them for survival and we will need them for survival 200 more years, so we have to do our best to make sure they dont forget our high value in the kavkaz. Saying we have china or america option we are only fooling ourselves so lets deal with reality.

      Originally posted by Hakob View Post
      Serjik Jan ( and I am saying this without hang ups, lol) between the lines you can read both ways. My assessment is this, in 1970s, as is now, you had to knock the door of one power or another to get your needs-served. There was no other way. Bekaa valley was indeed hotbed of revolutionary camps to get trainings and intel for your operation. Most of the groups there were Marxist leaning anti western and indeed the armaments and military trainings were sponsored by Warsaw Pact countries led by Moscow. The armament suppliers were not only USSR but Czechoslovakia, Poland, Yugoslavia and even china. US was ending Vietnam war and NATO and west were at their lowest point of influence. The Afghan war, destabilization and destruction of Warsaw Pact was yet to come. The requirement that was a mast for every one to be allowed there was to be leftist politically. In Bekaa valley were training even South American, African and Asian pacific countries groups. The history shows that many of this groups ended up on very diffrent paths because of their individual core beliefs. The other camp for ASALA to look for support and training would be US and NATO, which would mean the end of ASALA as member Turkey which was the target of ASALA was one of the most influential and powerful there. So the only choice was Warsaw Pact. Marxism was to be just an unavoidable shirt to be worn to on the road to target. At the beginning Moscow was tolerant, but when ASALA's publicity grew even inside USSR and sparked independence groups in Armenian SSR, Moscow crushed those groups in Armenia and tried to use it's influence to force more anti west activities on ASALA. This led to internal conflict and split in ASALA as group's real ideology was never social or anti west but only genocide recognition, retribution and liberation of western occupied Armenia ( this point fiercely opposed by Moscow too). Subsequently some members were killed and group kicked out from Bekaa area and PLO cut its ties with ASALA. At the end of ASALA's activities in early 80's Soviet KGB was fully cooperating with French and Turkish intelligence in eliminating it. Maybe when in the future archives will open we will know more. But this is what my opinion is for now. By the way I am only Pro Armenian and if it suits my country I will be pro Russian, US, China etc. etc.
      Last edited by Serjik; 12-27-2016, 08:41 PM.

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        Armenian Air Force.
        Aircraft repair enterprise






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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by Azad View Post
          Holly sht! Fking idiots!
          Irrelevant what you give some people they will always be idiots.
          The Georgian Didgori is not bad of a infantry vehicle, but of a clone, this video is a great example of, just because you have the newest gadgets doesn't mean you are going to win in every battle.

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            More good news about our economy.

            2017 թվականին Հայաստանը ներդրումային ֆորումներ կանցկացնի ԱՄԷ–ում եւ Ֆրանսիայում. Կարայան
            https://news.am/arm/news/365426.html

            ՀՀ կառավարությունն արդեն 240 մլն դոլարի ներդրումային ծրագրերի առաջարկ է հավաքել. Սուրեն Կարայան
            https://news.am/arm/news/365424.html

            Հայաստանը ցանկանում է մինչեւ 2017-ի ապրիլ սկսել Իրանի հետ ազատ տնտեսական գոտու ստեղծումը
            https://news.am/arm/news/365431.html

            Նախարար. Հայաստանը արտահանման պետապահովագրությունը 2016-ին 5 անգամ մեծացրել է
            https://news.am/arm/news/365433.html

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              Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army positions on Mrav ridge






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                Originally posted by Spetsnaz View Post
                More good news about our economy.

                2017 թվականին Հայաստանը ներդրումային ֆորումներ կանցկացնի ԱՄԷ–ում եւ Ֆրանսիայում. Կարայան
                https://news.am/arm/news/365426.html

                ՀՀ կառավարությունն արդեն 240 մլն դոլարի ներդրումային ծրագրերի առաջարկ է հավաքել. Սուրեն Կարայան
                https://news.am/arm/news/365424.html

                Հայաստանը ցանկանում է մինչեւ 2017-ի ապրիլ սկսել Իրանի հետ ազատ տնտեսական գոտու ստեղծումը
                https://news.am/arm/news/365431.html

                Նախարար. Հայաստանը արտահանման պետապահովագրությունը 2016-ին 5 անգամ մեծացրել է
                https://news.am/arm/news/365433.html
                I believe the government is injecting the media with positive news as elections are coming up.
                The GDP is growing somewhere between 0.5-0.8% per year, which is negligible for an economy of $10 billion.
                Looks like Hovik's gov't was cooking the books and telling the public that there's 3% growth.
                Growth numbers went down significantly after Karapetyan took over as PM.
                I'm not a pessimist and don't like complaining, but gotta say how it is in reality.

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                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Originally posted by armnuke View Post
                  I believe the government is injecting the media with positive news as elections are coming up.
                  The GDP is growing somewhere between 0.5-0.8% per year, which is negligible for an economy of $10 billion.
                  Looks like Hovik's gov't was cooking the books and telling the public that there's 3% growth.
                  Growth numbers went down significantly after Karapetyan took over as PM.
                  I'm not a pessimist and don't like complaining, but gotta say how it is in reality.
                  Our economy will grow around 2.4%-3.0% as most non Armenian sources state, though it is going to be harder for our economy because of the sanctions imposed on Russia, but overall, I do Agree with your statement, in fact these sources are being shat out by one Anuss rather than multiple.

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                    Armenian Army






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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Ok bros, 2017 is right around the corner and I will ask you to quote-reply this post by listing 3 weapons you would like to see with our army in 2017.
                      Please try to be realistic to make it exciting and meaningful.
                      Here's my take: (#1 being the weapon I would like to see most, #3 the least)
                      1) Strike drones with guided missiles
                      2) Pantsir S-1
                      3) Kornet EM (Kornets mounted on Gaz Tigr)

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