Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

[Mukuch]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

diaspora always has had a big role in recognising the genocide and so on, let's not forget if it was nto for the diaspora and the efforts put by the asala nobody in the west would care to learn about armenian sufferings and armenia. I am aginst opening borders and i think diaspora should take a part as well, we all armenians should unite.

that why you have voted "absolutly not" ?

[hipeter924]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

You put it well hipeter!

For him anything that is good for the benefit of Israel.

yet

For us anything that is good for the benefit of Armenia.

Personally though I support Israel. I support Israeli leftists, which are not to be confused with the right wing elite in power there. There are many Israeli's that oppose the war: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cMs0...e=channel_page

[Haykakan]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

The roadmap is secret we do not know anything about it. It is secret not just from us but from the turcks to, which means the content will have compromises by both sides.Since we do not know what the compromises are yet, i do not think we need to be panicking or anything. As far as what armenia does it is the business of the citizens of armenia and no one else. If you want to have a say in armenias government then go live there, get your citizenship and vote. Given the landlocked position of our country it is vital to have a dependable route to the west especially. Sure we have survived this long without the western border but the people living in armenia have suffered greatly because there is no cheap dependable way to reach western markets.Armenia is already full of cheap turckish goods so i dought the opening will hurt economically much and surely it won't hurt as much as it will help.Russia wants the borders to open because it will end armenias dependence on georgia as its only window to the world thus allowing russia to really kick shakasvilli's ass without worrying about hurting its ally armenia as much. The armenian regions in georgias south can also be thenm used against it again without hurting us and possibly getting the armenioan populated parts into armenia itself.The whole border opening idea is not turckeys or armenias idea, it is part of the russian plan for the region and it could be a good one for armenia.Turckey is pushed to go along by both its biggest trading partner(russia), the organization it wants to be a part of (EU) and even the usa.The potential positives here for armenia are huge! I don't know what will happen any more then anybody else but it is obvious this is part of a larger plan which the armenian leadership may not even have much of a choice in determining. This is a part of a bigger picture and armenia will try to gain as much out of it as it can.

[Mukuch]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

The roadmap is secret we do not know anything about it. It is secret not just from us but from the turcks to, which means the content will have compromises by both sides.Since we do not know what the compromises are yet, i do not think we need to be panicking or anything. As far as what armenia does it is the business of the citizens of armenia and no one else. If you want to have a say in armenias government then go live there, get your citizenship and vote. Given the landlocked position of our country it is vital to have a dependable route to the west especially. Sure we have survived this long without the western border but the people living in armenia have suffered greatly because there is no cheap dependable way to reach western markets.Armenia is already full of cheap turckish goods so i dought the opening will hurt economically much and surely it won't hurt as much as it will help.Russia wants the borders to open because it will end armenias dependence on georgia as its only window to the world thus allowing russia to really kick shakasvilli's ass without worrying about hurting its ally armenia as much. The armenian regions in georgias south can also be thenm used against it again without hurting us and possibly getting the armenioan populated parts into armenia itself.The whole border opening idea is not turckeys or armenias idea, it is part of the russian plan for the region and it could be a good one for armenia.Turckey is pushed to go along by both its biggest trading partner(russia), the organization it wants to be a part of (EU) and even the usa.The potential positives here for armenia are huge! I don't know what will happen any more then anybody else but it is obvious this is part of a larger plan which the armenian leadership may not even have much of a choice in determining. This is a part of a bigger picture and armenia will try to gain as much out of it as it can.

Never have read anything more stupid...
It looks like you work in Armenian foreign office, at least you are as stupid as the so called "Armenian diplomats" are...losers...
xxxx Russia, xxxx your government and xxxx you....

[KanadaHye]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

Easy Mukuch... lol.

[Gavur]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

I'm with the people that said "Probably" either direction and there are about 40% of us and we cannot be "Bogarded" to either direction, simply because we need more facts not emotion.I feel the correct answer in this particular pole is the probably answers because that shows unwilling to make a final judgment, and ability to sustain ones self from prejudging.This will only divide us and drive us away from the subject.

[Haykakan]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

I voted probably not because the people who decide should be the same people who will have to live with the decisions consequenses. If you live in the diaspora and decide that lets say armenia is not ready to open the border, you won't have to live with the consequences of that decision but the people living in Armenia will be living with it every day. It is worst then taxation without representation, imagine if you will that you have a business and someone who is not with the company is making the business decisions for you. In order to make the right decision you need to be a stakeholder, meaning that you will get hurt by the wrong decision and will reap the rewards of the right one. It is easy to state a position when the consequenses don't effect you directly but it is far different when your family, livelyhood, life.... is on the line.
Mukuch if you have noithing constructive to say then stfu.

[Mukuch]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

I voted probably not because the people who decide should be the same people who will have to live with the decisions consequenses. If you live in the diaspora and decide that lets say armenia is not ready to open the border, you won't have to live with the consequences of that decision but the people living in Armenia will be living with it every day. It is worst then taxation without representation, imagine if you will that you have a business and someone who is not with the company is making the business decisions for you. In order to make the right decision you need to be a stakeholder, meaning that you will get hurt by the wrong decision and will reap the rewards of the right one. It is easy to state a position when the consequenses don't effect you directly but it is far different when your family, livelyhood, life.... is on the line.
Mukuch if you have noithing constructive to say then stfu.

Constructive?
What you call constractive: selling our identity for cheap turkish goods?
Kiss my constructive arss.....

[Lika]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

that why you have voted "absolutly not" ?

Sorry, it was a genuine mistake, I support the united armenians

[firat]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

Constructive?
What you call constractive: selling our identity for cheap turkish goods?
Kiss my constructive arss.....

I am a Turkish citizen and I am not insulting you. So, be respectful to me.

Is Haykakan selling his identity in your eyes?

How can you suppose that he/she does not care for his/her identity as much as you do? He is an armenian living with the consequences of closed borders. However, you are an armenian who does not have any idea about the consequences of closed borders. Thus, instead of teaching him/her what to do, you might ask what these consequences are and if you prefer borders not to be opened, then you and people like you should be the ones who will make his/her life easier bcoz of the borders.