Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

[londontsi]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

...

Here is how stupid this sounds.

These are major policy statements by the Sultan.
The phraseology he uses does not envisage compromise.

The phrases he uses without shadow of doubt state, no independent Karabagh
and "We do not own anything of Armenia to give to back to them in return for withdrawals of their troops" .


Now if you re-read your generous offer to return liberated lands which cost the lives of our brave men you will see how stupid it sounds.

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[Gevz]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Here is a jjewish writer. Notice she pretty much labels us as part of "axis of evil". This does not make all jjews Armenian haters but it does reflect a majority opinion held by that group of people. Notice Russia is on that list to. Of course she never mentioned the hypocrisy of decades worth of jjewish lobbying against the recognition of the Armenian genocide.
AN 'ARE YOU KIDDING ME' FOREIGN POLICY

Washington Times
June 3 2015

U.S. actions toward allies evoke disbelief

By Norma Zager - - Wednesday, June 3, 2015

These past years, United States foreign policy has become a long
procession of "are you kidding me?" moments for our allies. An enigma
to even the most sophisticated, U.S. foreign policy has morphed
into an all-you-can-eat diplomatic buffet, complete with an Obama
administration graze-and-go approach.

During World War II, the U.S. settled into the role of a big brother
to the world. Direct from central casting, Americans were the cowboys
wearing white hats and boasting gleaming six guns with white pearl
handles, ready to hop on a white horse at a moment's notice to save
the day. It remains a proud moment in our history.

However, today, the U.S. administration meanders about a foreign
relations smorgasbord of its own making, often changing teams and
switching alliances, rather inexplicably, to cozy up to nations and
leaders -- many incredibly suspect in their actions and ideologies --
while ignoring pleas from friends and allies.

One would be hard pressed to find anyone unaware of the complete
distain President Obama shows for the state of Israel and Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Once, support for Israel came as natural
to American policy as sun in California, yet no longer is it the case.

The U.S. administration has puzzlingly ignored Israel's outspoken
warnings about the consequences inherent in a dangerous deal with
Iran. In addition, despite U.S. insistence to the contrary, talks
with the Palestinian Authority have spotlighted the impossibility of
any peace process with an entity that refuses to acknowledge Israel's
basic right to exist. More recently, America's blatant interference
in the Israeli elections in a bid to eliminate Mr. Netanyahu betrays
a total disregard for Israel's sovereignty.

Another reliable and staunch ally of the United States, Azerbaijan,
is in an equally unenviable position. Azerbaijan receives a deaf ear
to pleas that the United States intercede to force its neighbor,
Armenia, to adhere to multiple United Nations Security Council
resolutions calling for the return of Azeri lands and the cessation
of its illegal occupation and ongoing aggression.

As it stands, Armenia occupies roughly 20 percent of Azerbaijan's
sovereign territory, including Nagorno-Karabakh. Armenia occupied
these lands in what was termed an unjust war, with the help of U.S.

enemies Russia and Iran. They have refused to relinquish Azerbaijan's
territory despite repeated calls from the international community
and four U.N. Security Council resolutions.

Today, the United States calls for Russia to respect the territorial
integrity of Georgia and Ukraine, but conveniently omits even a nod
to Azerbaijan. There is not even condemnation of repeated acts of
aggression by Armenia.

In fact, these past years, Azerbaijan has been repeatedly attacked
for how its young and emerging democracy functions. And omnipresent
on the U.S. radar screen are perceived human rights abuses such as
closing mosques when there are unsavory clerics calling for Shariah
law and the overthrow of the rightful and elected government.

There seems to be painfully sparse recognition of Azerbaijan's
momentous gains in the building of a civil society, a foundation for
a sustainable and long-lasting government dedicated to the betterment
of the nation's people, not to mention the support it gives to the
United States. Think of the cost to Azerbaijan of continually fend
off Iranian and Russian efforts at aggression and power plays due to
its support for America.

There are more "are you kidding me?" moments:

* Following the U.S.-supported ouster of longtime Egyptian ally
President Hosni Mubarak, the father of terrorist doctrine Muslim
Brotherhood, rose to power. The United States embraced and funded the
new government but stopped with the election of the terror-fighting,
Israel-friendly and reformist President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi.

* The United States ousted Libya's Moammar Gadhafi and paved the way
for al Qaeda.

* The United States pushed the reset button with Russia and now
Vladimir Putin is pushing his way through Eastern Europe.

* Japan, an ally facing aggression from China and with whom we have
a treaty that guarantees our support, is unsure of a U.S. commitment.

Unfortunately, the "are you kidding me?" list grows as the United
States gorges itself on its foreign policy table of wonders. The
leaders of the Arab world recently opted against Mr. Obama's invitation
to a "summit." What's the point, right? Iran is Mr. Obama's date
these days.

Although this distain has been an impetus for Israel and other
nations to forge new alliances with one another, which may be a
positive outcome, it still speaks to a sense of disloyalty difficult
to reconcile. In the wake of new U.S. behavior, Israel now looks to
others for close relationships. Once close U.S. allies, now betrayed
by the administration, flock together -- Israel, Azerbaijan, Saudi
Arabia, Egypt -- the list goes on.

The United States must impose a foreign policy diet on itself, or
the world must wait for one more measured and less gluttonous.

* Norma Zager is a professor at California State University.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...evoke-disbeli/

typical its nothing new from the jew

[Gevz]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Debil anasun if Russia cares so much, then why would you give up land? Your entire argument makes no sense, yesterday you badmouth the diaspora labeling millions of Armenians parskahavs and coke heads then your idea of fixing Armenia consists of collecting money from the diaspora. Hele sikter ele esh esh xosumes. Armenia doesn't need to give up lands, what they need to do is negotiate diplomacy with turkey and open the border. Once this is achieved, Azerbaijan will lose a huge backing and will lose its leverage on us, concurrently Armenia needs to continue to work with the UN to increase its economic investments. The current regime in Armenia is doing a fantastic job, could it do better? Of course, but overall Armenia is in a great position to start playing politics in the region. What the diaspora needs to do and from what I'm hearing from family and friends in Armenia, more companies are beginning to set up shop out there. I'll be there next week and look forward to seeing what changes are happening.

Russia is a great ally and asset to have, we would not be here today without Russia. We need to further increase our relationship with Russia and the rest of the EEU, but cannot become one sided. Armenia NEEDS to keep a balance between Russia, asia, and the west in order to stay neutral in matters such as sanctions..etc. That being said, Russia has left me confused with their actions. Obviously they made it very clear who is their strongest alley in the region by attending the april 24th events, then they void working visas for thousands of Armenians which has drastically affected the northern region of Armenian.

I had to quote this before i go but if an award was given to the dumbest post ever this would be it.

Here is how stupid this sounds.

'Armenia needs to negotiate diplomacy with turkey and open the border. Once this is achieved, Azerbaijan will lose a huge backing and will lose its leverage on us' hang on.......do you really think turkey will open the border and go against it's little brother? FOR ARMENIA??????????????? are you really that lost?

[lampron]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Holy sh!t, how hard is it to understand? No personal attacks, no racism. Your post will be deleted and I will start banning. Gevz, herika FFS you just got here.

Dear federate, no to racism agreed, but you should also intervene where people here are automatically labelled as 'Turks' whenever they present facts that don't correspond to the delusional fantasies of some on this board. I don't need to tell you that this tactic is designed to stop free debate

[lampron]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

funny how i get warned when i'm not the one throwing personal insults first. anyway i'll leave

You shouldn't leave, as Haykakan above states, your posts are important to bring delusional posters here back to reality

[Gevz]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Holy sh!t, how hard is it to understand? No personal attacks, no racism. Your post will be deleted and I will start banning. Gevz, herika FFS you just got here.

funny how i get warned when i'm not the one throwing personal insults first. anyway i'll leave

[Haykakan]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Here is a jjewish writer. Notice she pretty much labels us as part of "axis of evil". This does not make all jjews Armenian haters but it does reflect a majority opinion held by that group of people. Notice Russia is on that list to. Of course she never mentioned the hypocrisy of decades worth of jjewish lobbying against the recognition of the Armenian genocide.
AN 'ARE YOU KIDDING ME' FOREIGN POLICY

Washington Times
June 3 2015

U.S. actions toward allies evoke disbelief

By Norma Zager - - Wednesday, June 3, 2015

These past years, United States foreign policy has become a long
procession of "are you kidding me?" moments for our allies. An enigma
to even the most sophisticated, U.S. foreign policy has morphed
into an all-you-can-eat diplomatic buffet, complete with an Obama
administration graze-and-go approach.

During World War II, the U.S. settled into the role of a big brother
to the world. Direct from central casting, Americans were the cowboys
wearing white hats and boasting gleaming six guns with white pearl
handles, ready to hop on a white horse at a moment's notice to save
the day. It remains a proud moment in our history.

However, today, the U.S. administration meanders about a foreign
relations smorgasbord of its own making, often changing teams and
switching alliances, rather inexplicably, to cozy up to nations and
leaders -- many incredibly suspect in their actions and ideologies --
while ignoring pleas from friends and allies.

One would be hard pressed to find anyone unaware of the complete
distain President Obama shows for the state of Israel and Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Once, support for Israel came as natural
to American policy as sun in California, yet no longer is it the case.

The U.S. administration has puzzlingly ignored Israel's outspoken
warnings about the consequences inherent in a dangerous deal with
Iran. In addition, despite U.S. insistence to the contrary, talks
with the Palestinian Authority have spotlighted the impossibility of
any peace process with an entity that refuses to acknowledge Israel's
basic right to exist. More recently, America's blatant interference
in the Israeli elections in a bid to eliminate Mr. Netanyahu betrays
a total disregard for Israel's sovereignty.

Another reliable and staunch ally of the United States, Azerbaijan,
is in an equally unenviable position. Azerbaijan receives a deaf ear
to pleas that the United States intercede to force its neighbor,
Armenia, to adhere to multiple United Nations Security Council
resolutions calling for the return of Azeri lands and the cessation
of its illegal occupation and ongoing aggression.

As it stands, Armenia occupies roughly 20 percent of Azerbaijan's
sovereign territory, including Nagorno-Karabakh. Armenia occupied
these lands in what was termed an unjust war, with the help of U.S.

enemies Russia and Iran. They have refused to relinquish Azerbaijan's
territory despite repeated calls from the international community
and four U.N. Security Council resolutions.

Today, the United States calls for Russia to respect the territorial
integrity of Georgia and Ukraine, but conveniently omits even a nod
to Azerbaijan. There is not even condemnation of repeated acts of
aggression by Armenia.

In fact, these past years, Azerbaijan has been repeatedly attacked
for how its young and emerging democracy functions. And omnipresent
on the U.S. radar screen are perceived human rights abuses such as
closing mosques when there are unsavory clerics calling for Shariah
law and the overthrow of the rightful and elected government.

There seems to be painfully sparse recognition of Azerbaijan's
momentous gains in the building of a civil society, a foundation for
a sustainable and long-lasting government dedicated to the betterment
of the nation's people, not to mention the support it gives to the
United States. Think of the cost to Azerbaijan of continually fend
off Iranian and Russian efforts at aggression and power plays due to
its support for America.

There are more "are you kidding me?" moments:

* Following the U.S.-supported ouster of longtime Egyptian ally
President Hosni Mubarak, the father of terrorist doctrine Muslim
Brotherhood, rose to power. The United States embraced and funded the
new government but stopped with the election of the terror-fighting,
Israel-friendly and reformist President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi.

* The United States ousted Libya's Moammar Gadhafi and paved the way
for al Qaeda.

* The United States pushed the reset button with Russia and now
Vladimir Putin is pushing his way through Eastern Europe.

* Japan, an ally facing aggression from China and with whom we have
a treaty that guarantees our support, is unsure of a U.S. commitment.

Unfortunately, the "are you kidding me?" list grows as the United
States gorges itself on its foreign policy table of wonders. The
leaders of the Arab world recently opted against Mr. Obama's invitation
to a "summit." What's the point, right? Iran is Mr. Obama's date
these days.

Although this distain has been an impetus for Israel and other
nations to forge new alliances with one another, which may be a
positive outcome, it still speaks to a sense of disloyalty difficult
to reconcile. In the wake of new U.S. behavior, Israel now looks to
others for close relationships. Once close U.S. allies, now betrayed
by the administration, flock together -- Israel, Azerbaijan, Saudi
Arabia, Egypt -- the list goes on.

The United States must impose a foreign policy diet on itself, or
the world must wait for one more measured and less gluttonous.

* Norma Zager is a professor at California State University.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/3/norma-zager-us-actions-toward-allies-evoke-disbeli/

[Gevz]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Gevz makes a lot of excellent points which diasporans have a hard time swallowing. I was in school when the war was on and my dad was busy helping the war effort in numerous ways. He organized the procurement, shipment, allocation of much needed medical equipment to Hayastan. He gathered money from wealthy diasporans and brought it to Kharabagh to buy guns, ammo, tanks...even named one of the tanks after me. He took fire while doing this and brought home shretnell as a souvineer. I helped him when I could and while I was helping him I couldn't help but wonder why nobody else out of this 50k Armenian community was doing anything similar? Yeh there was some help from the diaspora and I was there to witness it and I was also there to witness how few were actually doing anything. The diaspora does have great potential but it never approaches this potential. My hope is that this newer generation of diasporans which seems to be more engaged with our homeland will do more then the previous generation. While Gevz is pretty much spot on about the diaspora I will say that making blanket statements is always a mistake. Yeh most of the diaspora is like a dead appendage but that does not mean that all of it is useless, yeh jjewish groups are generally not our friends but that does not mean all jews are enemies, Yeh most turks are glad the genocide happened but there are some who lement...We need all the help we can get and alienating people by using unnecessary blanket statements hurts our own interests. I think Gevz serves a good purpose here by bringing the diasporans back down to reality regarding their own worth and contributions but racial and generally blanket statements are a disservice to everyone. Indeed do watch that video if you are a diasporan and comprehend that it is a diasporan and our national hero who is telling you himself that the diaspora was not doing anywhere near enough. Instead of getting all defensive we diasporans need to figure out how we can be more useful to Armenia.

Haykakan jan.

I showed a video of what our 'national' hero was saying and people are so delusional they start personal insults they are in denial instead of saying ' yeah most of the diaspora was busy drinking coffee rather than helping' this is how much they are in denial.

Monte summed it up short and sweet it's such a shame our race lost people like him - to keep big mouth lost cases like 'londontsi' i wonder why god does these things but it is what it is we got to live with it.

[Federate]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Holy sh!t, how hard is it to understand? No personal attacks, no racism. Your post will be deleted and I will start banning. Gevz, herika FFS you just got here.

[Gevz]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

I said this in another thread and i'll say it one more time here.

'' Any country or state or race who does not recognize my peoples genocide & keeping my country landlocked is none existent for me '' you can call me racist you can call it discrimination but i call it pride. the people calling me racist or a nutjob have no self respect just because you learnt a few english words while living in ur fkd up democratic country you don't need to use those words towards me.