Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

[Gevz]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Gevz.
You are insulting every diasporan because you think they should have flooded in armenia in 1991, disregarding the fact that diaspora itself is not a single entity and every diasporan is a unique individual with their beliefs and understanding, plus the political/social environment at where they live and grow up.
A big part of freedom fighers were themselfs if not diasporans but at least children of diasporans that emigrated back from 1024 till 1972.
Those Syrian Armenians that you hate that are not coming to live in Artsakh gave over 300000 to Armenia during 40 years from 1924. What has changed now? Aren't they from same place? There are lots of questions that need answers right there. This is what should concern you the most. Not insulting part of your nation with a view about a war that we WON. And in big part because of Diasporans.
It is the neglect and cynical approach in you that makes me mad and I want to make you see that this same cynicism and prejudice that those 300000 saw maybe a big part of why those 80000 are reluctant to move in now.
You just said it. Police went to cinemas and transport to collect locals for front. Which cinemas around the world or which airport everywhere would you go to collect diasporans so you would not blame them? There has to be equal anderstanding. You are talking about people who live in versus who saw Armenia in their dreams.
Instead you should ask yourself, howcome there isn't a dual citisenship law in Armenia, guaraneeing that any diasporan receives the same privilages as locals upon entry. Why there are no special laws protecting capital and wealth that diasporans want to move back home? Why there are not laws protecting and guaranteeing dignity of every diasporan in Armenia however bad shape their language or customs they bring in.
Ask yourself is Armenia ready to take in diasporans returning home? is population ready to meet the with open arms?
What you are demanding from diaspora is what Israel has been achieving. Is Armenia's approach in any way comparable to Israel's(so we can expect emigration back)?
Excuses about government budget or conditions are not good enough. There has to be a culture. National culture here.
Diasporans have shown with several mass emigratons their readiness and desire that they would like to come back and leave in homeland. How many times has Armenia shown readiness to accept them in past 80 years?

Do i really need to explain to you why no dual citizenship law in Armenia? It is no brainer to work this one out.

Armenia is not perfect

You didn't need to go to any cinema or airports to collect diaspora Armenians around the world. Did anyone go and force Monte, Karo or the other 1000 Armenians? No one did no one went looking for them. They came themselves.

I'm demanding the Diaspora does more.
I'm demanding Diaspora stop day dreaming about some BS democracy.
I'm demanding Diaspora Armenians serve the army
I'm demanding Diaspora raise $500 million a year. yes $500million.
I'm demanding we have enough man/women willing to die for our country should the time come.
I'm demanding Diaspora drop this mentality 'if serzh is stealing our money' why the fark should i help. ( you don't need to help serzh diaspora can operate and contribute and build our country in 5 years yes 5 years we would have an even more beautiful country.

I could go on.

[Hakob]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Hakob i have Syrian Armenian friends - i think you read what i write incorrectly. I said those Syrian Armenians who's intentions are to come to Armenia from fleeing Syria milking money from the government, complaining about everything while awaiting for a visa to go another odar country.

DO YOU THINK THIS OK? If you have no problem with its better i don't discuss it anymore. FOR ALL THE SYRIAN ARMENIANS THAT LEAVE SYRIA AND END UP IN ARMENIA AND STAY IN ARMENIA AND DON'T LOOK TO GO ELSEWHERE GOOD ON THEM. I HOPE THEM ALL THE SUCCESS IN THIS WORLD.

But for all those just using our small country and talking crap with the intention of leaving - i say fk them. it's a different story being thankful and being an ungrateful imbecile.

Before you talk about them. First, go ask about their problems and expectations and how they feel living and leaving Armenia. then we should talk.
See? there is a huge huge subject that I pointed in above post but we are not discussing.
Go to "Emigrating to Armenia" posts and see that there are only diasporans there but allmost nobody from homeland.
No connection, no mutual anderstanding, no mutual planning, no official welcome or representation, no positive advice, no preplanning and set up between any would be emigrant an local, etc, etc...

[Gevz]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Gevz.
You are insulting every diasporan because you think they should have flooded in armenia in 1991, disregarding the fact that diaspora itself is not a single entity and every diasporan is a unique individual with their beliefs and understanding, plus the political/social environment at where they live and grow up.
A big part of freedom fighers were themselfs if not diasporans but at least children of diasporans that emigrated back from 1024 till 1972.
Those Syrian Armenians that you hate that are not coming to live in Artsakh gave over 300000 to Armenia during 40 years from 1924. What has changed now? Aren't they from same place? There are lots of questions that need answers right there. This is what should concern you the most. Not insulting part of your nation with a view about a war that we WON. And in big part because of Diasporans.
It is the neglect and cynical approach in you that makes me mad and I want to make you see that this same cynicism and prejudice that those 300000 saw maybe a big part of why those 80000 are reluctant to move in now.
You just said it. Police went to cinemas and transport to collect locals for front. Which cinemas around the world or which airport everywhere would you go to collect diasporans so you would not blame them? There has to be equal anderstanding. You are talking about people who live in versus who saw Armenia in their dreams.
Instead you should ask yourself, howcome there isn't a dual citisenship law in Armenia, guaraneeing that any diasporan receives the same privilages as locals upon entry. Why there are no special laws protecting capital and wealth that diasporans want to move back home? Why there are not laws protecting and guaranteeing dignity of every diasporan in Armenia however bad shape their language or customs they bring in.
Ask yourself is Armenia ready to take in diasporans returning home? is population ready to meet the with open arms?
What you are demanding from diaspora is what Israel has been achieving. Is Armenia's approach in any way comparable to Israel's(so we can expect emigration back)?
Excuses about government budget or conditions are not good enough. There has to be a culture. National culture here.
Diasporans have shown with several mass emigratons their readiness and desire that they would like to come back and leave in homeland. How many times has Armenia shown readiness to accept them in past 80 years?

Hakob i have Syrian Armenian friends - i think you read what i write incorrectly. I said those Syrian Armenians who's intentions are to come to Armenia from fleeing Syria milking money from the government, complaining about everything while awaiting for a visa to go another odar country.

DO YOU THINK THIS OK? If you have no problem with its better i don't discuss it anymore. FOR ALL THE SYRIAN ARMENIANS THAT LEAVE SYRIA AND END UP IN ARMENIA AND STAY IN ARMENIA AND DON'T LOOK TO GO ELSEWHERE GOOD ON THEM. I HOPE THEM ALL THE SUCCESS IN THIS WORLD.

But for all those just using our small country and talking crap with the intention of leaving - i say fk them. it's a different story being thankful and being an ungrateful imbecile.

[Hakob]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Hakob - Monte is a national hero but what is your point exactly? I think most Armenians know who he is how brave he was and what he done for the freedom of Artsakh.

' out of 6 million diaspora Armenians under 1,000 showed up for the day Armenia needed it the most' why are you even bringing Monte up in this discussion ? he is above all of the diaspora put together a long with the other 1,000 Armenians that showed up on the day.

Stop going away from the facts and start talking about what sparapet said or what some other leader said. just because they come out and say something it's all okayyyyyyy lets sit back drink more coffees because they don't need our help it's actually funny. just for the record in case you were small back in those days 'Armenia' didn't have enough man on the day that is the reason why every plane leaving Armenia was stopped and anyone fit to fight taken out of the plane and sent to the battlefield.

in cinemas police/military would walk in and take the man to the artsakh to fight. enough man hey?????????

Gevz.
You are insulting every diasporan because you think they should have flooded in armenia in 1991, disregarding the fact that diaspora itself is not a single entity and every diasporan is a unique individual with their beliefs and understanding, plus the political/social environment at where they live and grow up.
A big part of freedom fighers were themselfs if not diasporans but at least children of diasporans that emigrated back from 1024 till 1972.
Those Syrian Armenians that you hate that are not coming to live in Artsakh gave over 300000 to Armenia during 40 years from 1924. What has changed now? Aren't they from same place? There are lots of questions that need answers right there. This is what should concern you the most. Not insulting part of your nation with a view about a war that we WON. And in big part because of Diasporans.
It is the neglect and cynical approach in you that makes me mad and I want to make you see that this same cynicism and prejudice that those 300000 saw maybe a big part of why those 80000 are reluctant to move in now.
You just said it. Police went to cinemas and transport to collect locals for front. Which cinemas around the world or which airport everywhere would you go to collect diasporans so you would not blame them? There has to be equal anderstanding. You are talking about people who live in versus who saw Armenia in their dreams.
Instead you should ask yourself, howcome there isn't a dual citisenship law in Armenia, guaraneeing that any diasporan receives the same privilages as locals upon entry. Why there are no special laws protecting capital and wealth that diasporans want to move back home? Why there are not laws protecting and guaranteeing dignity of every diasporan in Armenia however bad shape their language or customs they bring in.
Ask yourself is Armenia ready to take in diasporans returning home? is population ready to meet the with open arms?
What you are demanding from diaspora is what Israel has been achieving. Is Armenia's approach in any way comparable to Israel's(so we can expect emigration back)?
Excuses about government budget or conditions are not good enough. There has to be a culture. National culture here.
Diasporans have shown with several mass emigratons their readiness and desire that they would like to come back and leave in homeland. How many times has Armenia shown readiness to accept them in past 80 years?

[lampron]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

1.5 Million of my brothers and sister got slaughtered . We lost most of our country . We have another genocide happening within our diaspora (armenians marrying odars). We lost our churches. We lost our wealth. We almost got another genocide in 1992. Turks/ gray wolves went on a mission to kill more Armenians in Artsakh. Just to name a few of the coward things animal turks have done to my people.

Despite many Lunatic Armenians saying 'Turks are reformed' these kind of statements are lunatic. Turks have never been 'sorry' never 'reformed' still deny until this day.

I think the minimum i could do is write 'a good turk is a dead turk' which is the case.

In general what you say is correct, and there was a real danger in 1992 that the Azeri Turks would finish off Karabakh and attack Zangezur

This belongs to another thread, but as a final point, PR is a key requirement, even more so for a small country like Armenia

[Gevz]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

btw, nothing to do with the thread, but we should move away from such slogans

They benefit no-one and they alienate moderate Turks who are potentially one of Armenia's greatest assets

Because of moderate Turks (and Kurds) demonstrations and public gatherings have taken in place in Turkey on April 24 since 2010

1.5 Million of my brothers and sister got slaughtered . We lost most of our country . We have another genocide happening within our diaspora (armenians marrying odars). We lost our churches. We lost our wealth. We almost got another genocide in 1992. Turks/ gray wolves went on a mission to kill more Armenians in Artsakh. Just to name a few of the coward things animal turks have done to my people.

Despite many Lunatic Armenians saying 'Turks are reformed' these kind of statements are lunatic. Turks have never been 'sorry' never 'reformed' still deny until this day. IF TURKS ARE REFORMED WE WOULD GET OUR LANDS BACK AND COMPENSATION. 100 years denial is all we got.

I think the minimum i could do is write 'a good turk is a dead turk' which is the case.

[lampron]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Hakob mentions how Sparapet said we need resources / money / weapons instead of man?????????? Our very own hero 'Monte' and his man killed azeri and took off the killed azeri boots to wear and continue fighting.

so yeah going back to what Sparapet said - diaspora couldn't even get together to buy 20000 army boots.

you don't know anything. stop trying to sugar coat things. accept the failure of 6 million diaspora Armenians - and make ask yourself the question should the time of need happen again - JUST HOW MUCH CAN WE REALLY RELY ON THE DIASPORA OR HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE EVERYONE WILL HELP. help by fighting and donating and not donating $10.

If an emergency (God forbid) happens, the answer is no - the diaspora's ability to help Armenia is sadly only marginal at present, but the potential exists

[Gevz]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Diaspora consists of 8 million Armenians. It acts like it's a diaspora with 500,000 people. If you disagree you are lying to yourself if you agree work towards making this diaspora work like 8 million Armenians.

[Gevz]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Hakob mentions how Sparapet said we need resources / money / weapons instead of man?????????? Our very own hero 'Monte' and his man killed azeri and took off the killed azeri boots to wear and continue fighting.

so yeah going back to what Sparapet said - diaspora couldn't even get together to buy 20000 army boots.

you don't know anything. stop trying to sugar coat things. accept the failure of 6 million diaspora Armenians - and make ask yourself the question should the time of need happen again - JUST HOW MUCH CAN WE REALLY RELY ON THE DIASPORA OR HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE EVERYONE WILL HELP. help by fighting and donating and not donating $10.

[lampron]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Hakob - Monte is a national hero but what is your point exactly? I think most Armenians know who he is how brave he was and what he done for the freedom of Artsakh.

' out of 6 million diaspora Armenians under 1,000 showed up for the day Armenia needed it the most' why are you even bringing Monte up in this discussion ? he is above all of the diaspora put together a long with the other 1,000 Armenians that showed up on the day.

Stop going away from the facts and start talking about what sparapet said or what some other leader said. just because they come out and say something it's all okayyyyyyy lets sit back drink more coffees because they don't need our help it's actually funny. just for the record in case you were small back in those days 'Armenia' didn't have enough man on the day that is the reason why every plane leaving Armenia was stopped and anyone fit to fight taken out of the plane and sent to the battlefield.

in cinemas police/military would walk in and take the man to the artsakh to fight. enough man hey?????????

The diaspora's role is exaggerated by those diaspora leaders and churchmen who want an easy life. They are extremely proud of and give maximum publicity to telethons but the amount of money collected is a drop in the ocean!