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Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

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  • Shant03
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    Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

    I can't speak for 7 million people, but even your question is wrong. Armenia needs to work on becoming independent and not rely on anyone, including it's diaspora. The diaspora is a great asset to have, think of it like a savings account. In terms of fighters. if the day comes, I will evaluate where Armenia needs me the most and will do that. If they need me in the hills that's where i'll be.
    Last edited by Shant03; 06-03-2015, 08:19 AM.

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  • Gevz
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    Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

    Originally posted by Shant03 View Post
    Let's say you're 100% right. So what? To answer your question no I am not ok with that, but what am I going to do start calling older generations parskahavs? You're going to judge the diaspora for the next 20 years based on what happened 20 years ago? Let's talk about now, what can we do, what should we do.. that's where we need to be. Sitting at the table side by side focusing on ARMENIA not the three letters at the end of our last names.

    Back to topic, why is Russia reducing the amount of working visas for armenians in the north? This is impacting Armenia's villages in the north. Is it because of the sanctions? Can someone informed please answer this?
    I have no problem with you. But fact remains a fact the 20 year ago war was a matter of having a country today or not having a country.

    If another war breaks out god forbid can you rely on the diaspora? Don't care about money help actual fighter help can you rely on it? If yes how sure are you?

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  • Shant03
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    Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

    Originally posted by Gevz View Post
    my sources are reliable. under 1000 turned up from 6 million diaspora Armenians if you think this ok i'm fine with that.
    Let's say you're 100% right. So what? To answer your question no I am not ok with that, but what am I going to do start calling older generations parskahavs? You're going to judge the diaspora for the next 20 years based on what happened 20 years ago? Let's talk about now, what can we do, what should we do.. that's where we need to be. Sitting at the table side by side focusing on ARMENIA not the three letters at the end of our last names.

    Back to topic, why is Russia reducing the amount of working visas for armenians in the north? This is impacting Armenia's villages in the north. Is it because of the sanctions? Can someone informed please answer this?
    Last edited by Shant03; 06-03-2015, 07:52 AM.

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  • Gevz
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    Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

    Originally posted by Shant03 View Post
    How was this information gathered? What are you sources? And lastly, what does this have to do with the TOPIC?
    ask this wannabe brit how we ended up drifting from the topic.

    my sources are reliable. under 1000 turned up from 6 million diaspora Armenians if you think this ok i'm fine with that.
    Last edited by Gevz; 06-03-2015, 07:31 AM.

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  • Gevz
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    Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

    From 6 million under 1000 showed up on the day when it counted the most.

    Wait.... Here is another interesting fact... Even the yezdis living in Armenia managed to organise a jokat and fight for something that don't even belong to them.

    But yeah i'm a nutjob hahahaha its actually funny.

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  • Shant03
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    Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

    How was this information gathered? What are you sources? And lastly, what does this have to do with the TOPIC?

    Originally posted by londontsi View Post
    You can blame diaspora as much as you like, and agree you will find faults.

    A few points you have to consider

    Armenia is a state.
    It has its constitution
    It has its government.
    It has its economic and social policy.
    AND ultimately it has executive powers.

    The diaspora has done and has the capacity to do much more.
    It does not have executive power
    Nor does it seek ( nor should it ) seek executive power.
    It does not even have (public) advisory powers.

    Therefore the only body that can create synergy with these two entities the only executive body, ie. the Government/Ruling class.
    And their failings have been highlight both within Armenia and from the diaspora.

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    Diaspora needs to take a hands on approach when it comes to Armenia, forget the government, forget the executive body, forget politics. We need to be involved with the people, we need to spend time working side by side to develop to close the gap. We all want the same thing ultimately, there is no reason why we should let insignificant details derail us from achieving this. Till now, the main issue in my opinion from the American-Armenian side has been the living conditions in the country, with nearly 50% living under poverty it does not make sense to leave their first class life to live somewhere like that regardless of how patriotic they feel. Therefore, this is the area we should be focused on.
    Last edited by Shant03; 06-03-2015, 07:28 AM.

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  • londontsi
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    Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

    Originally posted by Shant03 View Post
    Diaspora, what I do agree with you is that the Diaspora should have done a better job of building a bridge in the 90s. Personally, I feel my generation is the best we have had in terms of identifying themselves as Armenians that we've had in the last 100 years. Some have tsolveld, some don't care, but most (in my circle anyway) have taken active steps to regularly visit and take part in building our great country. I feel confident Armenia will be an appealing place to live for those who live in countries like the US, and will see an significant number of people moving back home within the next 10-15 years. I have taken a personally interest into the potential of moving there someday. I do not have this confidence in the US, i feel this country will fall apart within the next 20-30 years. The system is out of balance and out of synch, you are now a country run by corporations whereas even up to 50 years ago this was not the case.
    You can blame diaspora as much as you like, and agree you will find faults.

    A few points you have to consider

    Armenia is a state.
    It has its constitution
    It has its government.
    It has its economic and social policy.
    AND ultimately it has executive powers.

    The diaspora has done and has the capacity to do much more.
    It does not have executive power
    Nor does it seek ( nor should it ) seek executive power.
    It does not even have (public) advisory powers.

    Therefore the only body that can create synergy with these two entities the only executive body, ie. the Government/Ruling class.
    And their failings have been highlight both within Armenia and from the diaspora.

    .

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  • Gevz
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    Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

    It was just under 1000. Proud of this right?

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  • Shant03
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    Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

    Originally posted by Gevz View Post
    Have i named called any armenian group in this thread? NO

    GET BACK ON TOPIC AND ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION

    Provide numbers of how many diaspora armenians prepared to die for a second armenian state. Is it that hard?
    Originally posted by Gevz View Post
    I know and have a very close numbers of how many diaspora Armenians fought during Artsakh liberation (excluding Russian Armenians)

    Well.. are you going to keep talking out of your ass or are you going to provide this magically number for us to discuss?

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  • Gevz
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    Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

    Have i named called any armenian group in this thread? NO

    GET BACK ON TOPIC AND ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION



    Provide numbers of how many diaspora armenians prepared to die for a second armenian state. Is it that hard?

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