Iranian-Armenian relations

[gegev]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Iran's external debt = $12.63 billion.
U.S. National Debt = $14 trillion.

How much longer do you think the U.S. can play GI Joe war games in the region? They're screwed. That money was incurred to effectively hand Iran control of Iraq and Afghanistan. The U.S. government is insane.

You know the U.S. is in deep trouble when they start making Nowruz greetings -- it seems that everyone participated except Ilham Aliyev.

PUTIN DECLARES JIHAD AGAINST THE GREAT SATAN

Putin: "The interest of Russian nation lies in a powerful and influential Iran in international scene and we have no doubt we will move in this direction. The Tehran-Moscow ties will expand without any limitation and we hope that this visit will open a new chapter in the two countries' relations."

Russia and Iran, as well as Armenia, are natural allies under the current geopolitical situation, but I seem Russia doesn't understand it fully, yet.

I like the term natural ally in nowadays geopolitical situation, because during the course of history it may be changed.

[Mos]

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The Moscow-Yerevan-Tehran axis is a natural one, opposed to the Ankara-Baku-Tbilisi axis. Of course, everything is possible, and given the circumstances these axises could change, and I would see this more if in Georgia a more pro-Russia government comes to power.

[gegev]

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The Moscow-Yerevan-Tehran axis is a natural one, opposed to the Ankara-Baku-Tbilisi axis. Of course, everything is possible, and given the circumstances these axises could change, and I would see this more if in Georgia a more pro-Russia government comes to power.

Good point Mos. It is the one, that will benefit all three countries and is needed for balancing whole region and making it stable.

[Joseph]

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How so are we being sanction by the US?

It is strategically impossible for Armenia and Georgia to have a close military alliance given our security interests differ. There can be cooperation but to a limited extent.

US is sanctioning Armenia through various low-key measures. The latest measure is canceling the Millenium Fund (which they claim is becuase of anti-democratic activities in Armenia but this is a farce). This cancellation coincided with Armenia signing the Russian military agreement and the developing of the gas pipeline with Iran. The State Dept. is furious.

Agree with you 100% on Armenia and Georgia ties. Armenia and Georgia are not going to be allies but will be magnanimous.

[Mos]

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US is sanctioning Armenia through various low-key measures. The latest measure is canceling the Millenium Fund (which they claim is becuase of anti-democratic activities in Armenia but this is a farce). This cancellation coincided with Armenia signing the Russian military agreement and the developing of the gas pipeline with Iran. The State Dept. is furious.

Agree with you 100% on Armenia and Georgia ties. Armenia and Georgia are not going to be allies but will be magnanimous.

Right, I heard about the Millennium funding too. Though, it hasn't reached the level of overt sanctions, thankfully.

[Persopolis]

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http://www.news.az/articles/armenia/34677

Head of xxxish Community of Armenia Rimma Varjapetyan believes that Israel will not recognize the Armenian 'genocide' for political reasons.
She noted that “Israeli politicians, undoubtedly, know what can follow the recognition of the Armenian genocide”.

According to her, the xxxish world recognized the fact of the 'genocide', but Israel as a state knows that official recognition of this fact will influence the security, economy and interrelations of Tel-Aviv with other countries.

“We were indignant when the President of Iran was awarded a medal in Yerevan. But it is the same policy, since Armenia cannot do without Iran”, Rimma Varjapetyan said.

In this context, she stressed importance of holding the so-called “national diplomacy” as to the issue of recognizing the 'genocide', noting that “if people want that, the governments will have no way out”.

[Note: In case you didn't know, when Armenia left the Persian Empire it developed a 5th column (of non-Armenians) within its ranks who adopted Armenian surnames.]
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This is worth reading - below:
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BY HAYK DEMOYAN
At least, on three occasions in history, Turkey has attempted genocidal acts, in its effort to implement a policy of total extermination and deportation of the Armenian population from Karabakh. http://www.armenia.com.au/news/Featu...on-three-times

The confession of a Turkish general, Saleh pasha, who was captured by the Armenians in Karabakh, confirmed that the Sultan aimed to completely exterminate local Armenians. He said: “The Sultan ordered the extermination of Armenians and Persians, since the troops of the Russian Tsar had occupied that shore of the (Caspian) sea, thus we have to attack them. We should remove the Armenians, who are like a wedge between us."

[Persopolis]

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You must be the first "Iranian" I have ever come across to take such a deep concern about Armenia, which raises some suspicions. In fact, if I were to bet, I'd bet you're either an Azeri ....

Iranians have taken an interest in Armenia and Armenians for the last several thousand years. What concerns me is that Armenians are all over the place and the younger generation seems fragmented and totally lost. Below is what Turkey wants. I don't think Russia will be able to hold them off in the Long Run.



Here's how it used to look with the Persian Empire: Green & Yellow = Persian Empire.



This is how Armenia got in the vulnerable position it's in today:



Armenians need to rally - cut the nonsense out & make sure their ranks are not polluted by saboteurs or an ill-informed population. You cannot afford any more tactical mistakes. Russia is protecting you now - but historically it was Persia that kept out the Turks and your lands in tact.

Any questions?

[Mos]

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Russia will continue to protect us, as Armenians trust Russians the most out of all other people, and there's a history to prove how they have protected us and are basically responsible for the existence of Armenia today and maybe even Armenians in general today. Hopefully, Georgia will realise their foolish mistakes and join the club.

Iran will serve as a reliable economic partner through which pressure can be put on Azerbaijan, but our relations with Iran will never reach the level of relations we have with Russia. We will continue our political reforms and close relations both politically and economically with European Union, and at the same time maintain solid Strategic ties with Russia. It's a complementary foreign policy created by Vardan Oskanian and still the driving force today of our FP.

Oh, and also Armenian men are breeding with Russian women in high numbers, and given there are 1+ million Armenians in Russia, you know the results that may await us.

[Persopolis]

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1. Russia will continue to protect us
2. Georgia will realise their foolish mistakes and join the club.
3. Iran will serve as a reliable economic partner through which pressure can be put on Azerbaijan, but our relations with Iran will never reach the level of relations we have with Russia.
4. we will maintain close relations both politically and economically with European Union, and at the same time maintain solid Strategic ties with Russia. It's a complementary foreign policy created by Vardan Oskanian and still the driving force today of our FP.
5. Armenian men are breeding with Russian women in high numbers ....

1. It will be unable to in the Long Run. (see posts # 1176 # 1187)

2. Georgia is allies with Turkey, the U.S. Israel & Azerbaijan: Georgia supports Dagestan & Azerbaijan on behalf of Turkey & the U.S. Turks/Israelis/U.S./Georgians = one team.

3. Iran isn't interested in a beauty contest with Russia over Armenia - Russia simply will not be able to hold on to Armenia in the future; more chunks of Armenia will be traded away; Armenia's resources will be exploited (including human resources: forced labor / sex slavery); or Armenia will be repopulated by Russians. (see posts # 1176 # 1187)

4. That's an easy way to destroy a country quickly.

5. If true - Armenia and Armenian culture will disappear quickly and the diaspora will never return.
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Azerbaijan borders both Russia and Iran. That strategic position alone makes it a major asset to the United States. Add to it oil in Baku and investment by U.S. companies. Add to this that its oil exports support Turkey and weaken Russian influence, and its value goes up again. The United States has the opportunity to forge a beneficial relationship with Azerbaijan that would put U.S. hands on one of Turkey’s sources of oil. It ensures Turkish dependence on the United States. Azerbaijan is a platform from which Washington could make Iranians uncomfortable, or from which to conduct negotiations with Iran.

Thank God there are some sane people left in Yerevan: Listen to this guy:

'Iranian Army key to regional security' - Armenian Deputy Defense Minister

A senior Armenian military official has praised Iran's role in the regional security architecture, saying that Iran keeps a certain balance of power and provides its northern neighbor with security. “The Iranian Army has honored commitments on defending Iran's national interests and ensuring Iranian nation's security. Over the past years, Iran has followed a conscious and coherent policy in the region,” IRNA quoted Armenian Deputy Defense Minister Ara Nazaryan as saying on Tuesday during a ceremony marking Iran's National Army Day in Yerevan. He added that Armenia-Iran relations, rooted in mutual interests and long-established affinity, are currently at the highest level. http://www.presstv.ir/detail/175626.html

[Mos]

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1. It will be unable to in the Long Run. (see posts # 1176 # 1187)

2. * Georgia is allies with Turkey, the U.S. Israel & Azerbaijan: Georgia supports Dagestan & Azerbaijan on behalf of Turkey & the U.S.

3. Iran isn't interested in a beauty contest with Russia over Armenia - Russia simply will not be able to hold on to Armenia in the future; more chunks of Armenia will be traded away; Armenia's resources will be exploited (including human resources: forced labor / sex slavery); or Armenia will be repopulated by Russians. (see posts # 1176 # 1187)

4. That's an easy way to destroy a country quickly.

5. If true - Armenia and Armenian culture will disappear quickly and the diaspora will never return.


Azerbaijan borders both Russia and Iran. That strategic position alone makes it a major asset to the United States. Add to it oil in Baku and investment by U.S. companies. Add to this that its oil exports support Turkey and weaken Russian influence, and its value goes up again. The United States has the opportunity to forge a beneficial relationship with Azerbaijan that would put U.S. hands on one of Turkey’s sources of oil. It ensures Turkish dependence on the United States. Azerbaijan is a platform from which Washington could make Iranians uncomfortable, or from which to conduct negotiations with Iran.

* Turks/Israelis/U.S./Georgians = one team.

1. Armenia is already a strategic military site for Russia and is in the backyard of Russia (Caucasus). The Caucasus were historically and will continue to be Russia's backyard.
2. A change in government could make Russia more pro-Russian, and thus intensify contacts with Armenia (esp in strategic fields). Public opinion is against Sakashvili and the opposition is much more open to expanding ties with Russia.
3. First off, stop with the sex slavery thing. Let me remind you that the women of all three Caucasus countries are involved in this sex trade. Of course a very small minority, usually poor villagers. Same problem in Moldova which is another poor exSoviet state. Yes many armenian migrants go and work in russia, there is no forced labour. They support their families back home, and they are contributing to the bigger Armenian control of the Russian economy. There are several Russian-Armenian billionaires that hold important sectors of the economy. And Armenia is not being repopulated by Russians, the only instance of that is Armenian men marrying Russian women.
4. No it's the best way to run Armenian policy, and this foreign policy was conceived by the best political thinkers and politicians of Armenia. Till today, our government continues this policy and it has worked very well for us, as we get the benefits of having relations with all different ends of the spectrum (Russia, CSTO, NATO, EU, US, Iran, etc.). It is smart foreign policy and it has been rather successful for us.
5. No it won't, as most of the children of those marriages are raised with Armenian culture, and second it's not happening at an alarming rate.

I am hesitant to but Turks and Israelis in the same team nowadays.