Iranian-Armenian relations

[Mukuch]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

What? Facing risk in Armenia? You must be kidding... First of all, generally nobody 'forces' you into prostitution (no matter where) second even if these "daughters, mothers and sisters face a risk" then there may be a problem with themselves in the first place

I agree with you but many anti-trafficking organizations would not. You are trying to take away from them their meaning to existence. That will be forcing many anti-trafficking functionaries to go to panel.))

. I have been to Armenia a few times, we have been hanging out till late at night in the streets with summer dresses not only I did not feel such a risk but rather a reassuring never-seen-before personal sense of security.

Hanging out in night in summer dress has nothing to do with being forced to prostitution. The reasons that could force a woman to go to such a step are purely social, when some women do not have meanings for existence they go to it. I am not talking about women who do it because they prefer easy way of life. But ofcours there is always a choice.

To Persopolis I will say this: If Iran wouldn’t be such a hypocrite country than maybe thousands of young Iranians wouldn’t have to come to Armenia not even for sex -tourism but for a mare chance to see a pretty women’s face on the street.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

The Doctor called - he said you need new glasses: Where were you several years ago when a wide variety of threads on this forum were about slandering Iran and totally unrelated to the subject matter of the threads, as in the quote below and the "Iranian prostitution videos"?

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Lucin-jan, I won't argue with a lady. But I'll ask you 4 questions under the theory you wrote:

1. Under your best guess or information, are a fewer percentage of Armenian women in Iran involved in prostitution than women in Armenia?

2. If 50% women of marrying age face this risk in Armenia (as in the news story says) and the "problem was with themselves" and they weren't "forced" -- why would they have those problems in Armenia and not Iran?

3. If the problem is more in Armenia, is there a higher risk for Armenian women getting involved in something like that by moving to Armenia?

4. Lastly, do you think there is a higher chance that Armenian women moving to the U.S. will end up in prostitution than if they move to Iran? Why? or Why not?

The fact there are more Armenians in Armenia than in Iran will rise the number if you couldn't have guessed that. I love reading your source and how they pull up numbers out of their ass and don't even give their source, I love when journalists work like that. When moving to the West the chance gets smaller because there are other ways of earning money. What is your concern what Armenian women do or don't do? You have already shown that you are anti-Armenian and you keep on trolling this forum why?

[KanadaHye]

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I agree with you but many anti-trafficking organizations would not. You are trying to take away from them their meaning to existence. That will be forcing many anti-trafficking functionaries to go to panel.))

Hanging out in night in summer dress has nothing to do with being forced to prostitution. The reasons that could force a woman to go to such a step are purely social, when some women do not have meanings for existence they go to it. I am not talking about women who do it because they prefer easy way of life. But ofcours there is always a choice.

To Persopolis I will say this: If Iran wouldn’t be such a hypocrite country than maybe thousands of young Iranians wouldn’t have to come to Armenia not even for sex -tourism but for a mare chance to see a pretty women’s face on the street.

I'm on the fence here about this. Although I don't necessarily agree with the strict Muslim attire, I prefer it over seeing some large woman with her XXL thong exposed because it's "fashion". Perhaps if the West wasn't so keen on ruling the world through their systematic degradation of women, other countries wouldn't have to be so strict with their policies.


Atousa Pourkashiyan - 2008 Iranian Women's Chess Championship

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

So you think the attire that Muslim women have to wear is a response to the Western culture regarding women? Let me remind you the same Iranian women who forcibly cover themselves in Iran, when visiting Armenia they dress literally half naked and would even make people in a liberal Western city uncomfortable.

It's not about forcing women what to wear, they should wear what they want, the important thing is how those women are raised, and if they are raised with appropriate values and in a good home, they will dress accordingly. Forcing women to wear a certain dress doesn't solve the problem. And yes, I don't want women in Armenia dressing half naked, however, in the end its up to their families to regulate that.

[Persopolis]

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To Persopolis I will say this: If Iran wouldn’t be such a hypocrite country than maybe thousands of young Iranians wouldn’t have to come to Armenia not even for sex -tourism but for a mare chance to see a pretty women’s face on the street.

There's no travel required: It's not illegal in Iran to have sex my friend. Iran does not want its women to end up in pornos, with a coke habit, and pregnant by six different men before she is 20, after being married 8 different times. Do me a favor: Google "crazy nude drunk girl" and ask yourself if you want that to be your daughter, mom or sister. But it gets worse: http://www.sodahead.com/fun/does-any...%2Bin%2Bbikini

Wearing a scarf on your head is a big deal because women often complain a lot if there are *rules* about what they should wear (they are generally more sensitive to that issue). However, there are rules about clothing everywhere. I'm oppressed; the police won't let me fly on a plane with a ribbon tied around my weener and my boss says that my spandex business suit shows *too much ass.* You get the idea? There are rules everywhere about clothing - but somehow people have gotten brainwashed into thinking its their rules that make them free; and for some reason you are supposedly more *free* in the West when you put your female relatives at greater risk of sexual exploitation.

BTW: Armenian women historically dressed the same as religious Iranian women. It only became *Muslim* clothing when you stopped wearing it.

To Persopolis I will say this: If Iran wouldn’t be such a hypocrite country than maybe thousands of young Iranians wouldn’t have to come to Armenia not even for sex -tourism but for a mare chance to see a pretty women’s face on the street.

There are about 200 Armenian churches in Iran ... 1 mosque in Yerevan: Hypocrite country? ( I won't even go into the condition the mosque was kept in until Iran recently renovated it.)

[Mos]

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And women in Europe also covered their heads and dressed conservatively only a couple hundred years ago...

So in your view, in order to make sure a women doesn't become a wh*re the government has to enact laws restricting their personal lives? That would just comes to show that Iranians are naturally promiscuous and without government control would become wh8res have as you said pregnant by six different men. No it's not about laws by some politicians, not at all, it's about the family of the women raising her right and her growing up with appropriate values. Having government regulate that is truly ridiculous.

[KanadaHye]

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So you think the attire that Muslim women have to wear is a response to the Western culture regarding women? Let me remind you the same Iranian women who forcibly cover themselves in Iran, when visiting Armenia they dress literally half naked and would even make people in a liberal Western city uncomfortable.

It's not about forcing women what to wear, they should wear what they want, the important thing is how those women are raised, and if they are raised with appropriate values and in a good home, they will dress accordingly. Forcing women to wear a certain dress doesn't solve the problem. And yes, I don't want women in Armenia dressing half naked, however, in the end its up to their families to regulate that.

That just goes to show you that perhaps they need to be forced to dress in strict attire because they are incapable of good judgement It's like Catholic school, the more strict the rules, the more rebellious people will be.

In regards to women, it's not only about appropriate values but also competition. If you were to take two exactly the same girls and dress one conservative and the other provocative, which one would you think would attract more men? There is a self esteem factor and women generally like to look attractive among their peers. The culture which is presented to the generations through popular media is also influencing judgement so the strict attire adds a barrier which protects both male and female outlooks on the world. When I go to a foreign country, I expect to see foreign culture. The Western or Americanized view of the world is one where you can get on a plane and go anywhere in the world and still fit in.

[Mukuch]

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Atousa Pourkashiyan - 2008 Iranian Women's Chess Championship

On the street, for such a look she could get arrested: no hair AT ALL can be shown out of headscarf.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

On the street, for such a look she could get arrested: no hair AT ALL can be shown out of headscarf.

Traditionally, no hair is shown. Typically, Iranian society is rather lenient when it comes to that. So why do we have traditions at all? Why can't I wear shorts, t-shirt and flip flops to a wedding? I really don't understand why there is a need to mock other cultures and encourage them to be like us. They have their own ideas which works for them and makes them part of who they are. I would have to say that the average Iranian is more intelligent than the average American so why should we focus on making the whole world follow western standards unless our end goal is ignorance and careless stupidity?

[Mos]

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Traditionally, no hair is shown. Typically, Iranian society is rather lenient when it comes to that. So why do we have traditions at all? Why can't I wear shorts, t-shirt and flip flops to a wedding? I really don't understand why there is a need to mock other cultures and encourage them to be like us. They have their own ideas which works for them and makes them part of who they are. I would have to say that the average Iranian is more intelligent than the average American so why should we focus on making the whole world follow western standards unless our end goal is ignorance and careless stupidity?

It's not about having them follow Western Standards, but giving them the freedom of choice of personal decisions such as what to wear. Why should government have any say in what you wear? Who the hell is government to make that kind of decision for people?