Iranian-Armenian relations

[Artsakh]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

3. First off, stop with the sex slavery thing. Let me remind you that the women of all three Caucasus countries are involved in this sex trade. Of course a very small minority, usually poor villagers. Same problem in Moldova which is another poor exSoviet state.

There is something personal here going on with this guy. But if he takes concern in such matters, let him first worry about the situation in his own country.
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Iran is suffering from prostitution of young girls and woman, this has become a big problem as more and more young teen girls enter the flesh-trade. Many girls are sold to Arab countries each year.

According to a BBC article, In Iran, "prostitution has increased 635% among high school students and the (growth) rate of suicide in the country has exceeded the record by 109%," Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/822312.stm

In fact, in Iran PARENTS SELL THEIR CHILDREN TO PROSITUTION; here's a documentary: http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/aza...umentary-video

Huffington post notes, "In recent years, child prostitution has risen 635 percent in the country, and dozens of Iranian girls are brought to Arab countries, Pakistan and Bangladesh to be sold as sex slaves every day."

[Artsakh]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

"In recent years, child prostitution has risen 635 percent in the country, and dozens of Iranian girls are brought to Arab countries, Pakistan and Bangladesh to be sold as sex slaves every day."
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Iran's Dark Secret: Child Prostitution and Sex Slaves

As part of our continuing focus on Iran, this week RUTV will explore the sexual trafficking of girls. In a recent report by the U.S. State Department, Iran was listed among the dozen countries with the poorest record of human trafficking. In recent years, child prostitution has risen 635 percent in the country, and dozens of Iranian girls are brought to Arab countries, Pakistan and Bangladesh to be sold as sex slaves every day. Most of these girls are raped within 24 hours of their departure, according to government officials.

In Tehran, there are an estimated 84,000 women and girls in prostitution, many of them are on the Streets, others are in the 250 brothels that reportedly operate in the City. Thousands more are trafficked abroad, landing as far away as France, Germany and the United Kingdom. Many of these are runaways from Afghanistan and Pakistan who flee abuse and poverty at home in search of legitimate work in Iran.

Other girls are sold into prostitution under the guise of a short-term marriage, or sigheh, which is permitted under Shari'a law in certain Shia schools. These marriages can last anywhere from one hour to several years, depending on a fixed contract. Under Shari'a, these marriages require the written consent of both parties. The reality, however, is that the contract is often brokered on behalf of the husband.

So far, Iran has demonstrated an abysmal lack of effort towards reigning in sexual trafficking. When brothels are brought down, the people most often punished are the girls themselves. Unwilling to distinguish between consensual intercourse and rape, officials will torture and execute girls for violating Iran's standards of behavior. In one particular case cited in the State Department report, a 16 year old girl was hanged after being accused of "engaging in acts incompatible with chastity."

Says the report, the religious judge who ordered the execution later received a letter of congratulations from the town's governor, thanking him for his "firm approach."

Further, officials themselves have been accused of running child prostitution rings. In one prominent sting operation, several government officials and security officers were arrested during raids on at least five houses used as brothels around the town of Neka in northern Iran. Officers from Iran's State Security Forces and Islamic Revolutionary Council have been arrested in brothels on multiple occasions.

One tragic consequence of prostitution in Iran has been a spike of HIV/AIDS infection in recent years. HIV awareness education is minimal there compared to in the West, and many who become infected are afraid to seek help. The Iranian government has vastly undertreated and under-reported cases, considering the disease a taboo that points towards sex outside of marriage.

Joining us via Skype this week is Nahid Persson, director of the documentary Prostitution Behind the Veil. The film features the story of two young prostitutes in her native Iran. It has been widely honored, recieving an International Emmy nomination, as well as the Golden Dragon at the Krakow Film Festival and Best International News Documentary at the TV-festival 2005 in Monte Carlo. Tala will be asking her perspective on the situation of child prostitution in Iran, as well as ways to get involved in stopping it.

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/report..._b_262222.html

[Artsakh]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Iranians have taken an interest in Armenia and Armenians for the last several thousand years. What concerns me is that Armenians are all over the place and the younger generation seems fragmented and totally lost. Below is what Turkey wants. I don't think Russia will be able to hold them off in the Long Run.

I'll say it again: You're either an Azeri, or a non-muslim "iranian." And just what do you know about Armenian youth? if you're concerned about youths, IF you're "Iranian," first worry about the situation of "iranian YOuth, where "prostitution has increased 635% among high school students and the (growth) rate of suicide in the country has exceeded the record by 109%," I am not even mentioning the drug problem among Iranian youth. and why does your heart ache that Armenians are all over the place? For at least Armenians have a legitimate reason to be "all over the place," that being invasions by barbaric neighbors, genocides, massacres... what reason do you Iranians have for fleeing in the millions out of a country such as iran which is big, powerful, has seas, immense resources??? YOU HAVE NO REASON.

YOu don't think russia will be able to hold on to the caucasus, that's good for you, every person is entitled to their opinion. And your point being?????????

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

1. Iran is suffering from prostitution of young girls and woman

2. According to a BBC article, In Iran, [B]"prostitution has increased 635% among high school students ....

3. In fact, in Iran PARENTS SELL THEIR CHILDREN TO PROSITUTION; here's a documentary: http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/aza...umentary-video

1. Every country has prostitution, including Iran; and it's not a good thing. However, in Iran if you sell people (young girls or women) or if you smuggle drugs, you get extremely light on your feet.



If children or women are kidnapped from Iran and taken out of the country -- these guys come looking for the smugglers (the Iranian military actually threatened to invade Dubai over a kidnapping - in the U.S. the sex trade and porn business is a multi-billion dollar enterprise):



Nevertheless, there are some women that end up as drug addicts or prostitutes in Iran (mostly refugees) - Iran had to take in 1 million Afghan refugees from the war). Still, this is a far cry from a country of 3 million people (Armenia) committing demographic suicide in the manner below - by letting politicians sell your girls & women to Russian organized crime.

U.S. State Dept Trafficking in Persons Report, June, 2009:

"Armenia is primarily a source country for women and girls trafficked to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Turkey for the purpose of commercial sexual exploitation. Armenian men and women are trafficked to Russia for the purpose of forced labor. NGOs reported that Armenian women were also trafficked to Turkey for the purpose of forced labor. Women from Ukraine and Russia are trafficked to Armenia for the purpose of forced labor. Victims trafficked to the UAE usually fly to Dubai from Yerevan or via cities in Russia; the trafficking route to Turkey is generally via bus through Georgia. A small number of Armenian girls and boys are trafficked internally for purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced begging."


“ The opposition Armenian National Congress has issued a statement, referring to the recent WikiLeaks disclosure on the situation with human trafficking in Armenia. "This document gives appalling details, dwelling on the phenomenon of child molestation as well," the statement goes on saying. According to the ANC acivists, authortieis are to blame for the social depreciation and extreme poverty forcing many parents to send their children abroad for prostitution.

They further note that the document was elaborated based on the studies of the US Embassy in Yerevan and an interview with Armenian Prosecutor General Aghvan Hovsepyan. The leaked cable issued by the WikiLeaks accused the prosecutor general of supporting trafficking and porn industry in Armenia. It claimed that the Armenian president and the National Assembly's failure to take urgent measures to fire Hovsepyan demonstrate that traffikcing and porn business are supported on the state level in Armenia.” http://www.tert.am/en/news/2011/02/11/traffickinganc/

If you compare that with Iran - you will see that a police chief caught with prostitutes was arrested, fired, and is facing a life term or hanging. ("Tehran's police chief, Reza Zarei, has been arrested in a local brothel" http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English...1.0.1962300820).

Conversely, the U.S. State Department Report notes that government officials in Armenia get raises and kickbacks for selling Armenian women to the Russian mob and that the practice is state sponsored at the highest level. (Quote Above.) That's the difference.


2. The BBC report you cited refers to a quote from Iran's "minister of art & cultural heritage" (a museum curator !) and not a medical or social services official. You also fail to mention that the increase in the rate of prostitution in Iran had to do with war-refugees from Afghanistan (1 million) taken in by Iran and the corresponding increase in drug smuggling from the Afghan War.

3. The "documentary" you posted is from an Israeli funded site called "Iranian.com"; and has featured the same 2 Adult Afghan refugee-prostitutes as I saw before. It has nothing whatsoever to do with "parents selling their children" and I invite people to watch it, and compare it the organized criminal prostitution enterprises operating between Armenia and Moscow. (If you want to read about the Israeli advertising money that funds "Iranian.com," you can do that here : http://jahanshahjavid.blogspot.com/ )

You're welcome to compare the situation in Iran with that of Armenia, if that was your intent:

This is your link about the sex trade in Iran:

http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/azadeh-azad/prostitution-iran-documentary-video

This is my link about the sex trade out of yerevan:

http://www.cinemaxtube.com/video/3657/Prostitutes-in-Yerevan--Armenia

And if you are above the age of 18 and not easily offended - you can see the ugly side of the Russian Entrepreneurial spirit in Armenia:

http://www.xvideos.com/video614352/armenian_hooker_nina_with_russian_guy

Please let me point out that the HIV infection rate in Armenia is higher than Mexico City & Taipei:

HIV Rampant among Prostitutes in Armenia, Study Reveals:
Princeton, N.J. (27 October 1999)—Female prostitutes in Yerevan are significantly more likely than their counterparts in Taipei, Mexico City, London, Sydney, and Atlanta to be infected with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, reports Yale University epidemiologist George Levon Melikian. http://www.gomidas.org/forum/af5hiv.htm

"No one is facing the fact that these are 16-year-old girls, and that Baghramian (Street in Armenia) is full of prostitutes."
(A conversation with Seta Melkonian - June 2000.)

"For many of the fifty per cent of single women of marriageable age in Armenia there is no option but to work the streets."

(Report By: Armen Amirkhanian, chairman of the Armenian Independent Journalists Association. http://iwpr.net/report-news/armenia-...n-prostitution )

Tehran employs 700 optional "women only" cabs so women don't have to feel uncomfortable getting into a cab with a strange man. http://fractalenlightenment.com/862/...s-firefighters

In Iran we have Iranian-Armenians: And if someone kidnapped an Iranian-Armenian, 200 Muslim Iranian Commandos would teach the kidnappers a once in a lifetime lesson. I assure you that if you compare the rates of HIV infection among Armenian women (from Yerevan) against those of Iranian-Armenians (from Iran) -- you will see that Iran protects Armenian girls and women better than Armenia does; even during times of war with Iraq and sanctions - we didn't resort to what Armenia has allowed the Russian mob to do to your daughters. And remember it's Iranians who put money into the Armenian economy - so people in the villages don't have to starve or go without heat.

Note: If anyone is offended about the subject matter - this type of information was being posted on this site long before I got here; Three lessons can be learned if you're offended: (1) Don't get into a mud-slinging match with an Iranian; (2) speak out when forum members attempt to alienate your allies; and (3) don't think that getting into a pissing-contest will do anything but create bad advertising (Iranians are not passive people).

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Mr. 'Atrsakh,' If you want to explain why losing 3/4 of Armenia's land through association with Russia, causing the deaths of tens of thousands of Armenians, and subjecting 50% of Armenian women to a life selling themselves was a good thing - you go right ahead. If you want to explain to them how blindly chasing the failed policies of the past will secure their future - be my guest.

[lampron]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Iran is 75 million a vast country with huge natural resources, controlling access to the Persian Gulf and uninterrupted self government for centuries

Armenia is 3 million or less, with no resources, landlocked, with a long history of foreign
domination (resulting in a loss of self confidence and a certain slave mentality), not to
speak of a history of genocide, and threats from Turkey and Azerbaijan

Emigration, people trafficking, slavery...these are much more serious for Armenia than Iran

[gegev]

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Prostitution can be mixed with every subject, if you haven't something else, relevant to the topic, to write. Iranian & Armenian prostitution related posts, can be discussed in a different thread - let say "Prostitution worldwide"; experts are welcomed. It is not the right area where nations should compete with each other. Although I think Russians may take competitive advantage in it. But I'm not an expert in the area and my guess could be wrong.

[Persopolis]

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Emigration, people trafficking, slavery...these are much more serious for Armenia than Iran

I completely agree the impact is harder felt on Armenia than Iran - which is why Armenia should focus more on it. Hard to convince people to move to Yerevan when their daughters, mothers, and sisters face this risk.

Prostitution can be mixed with every subject, if you haven't something else, relevant to the topic, to write.

I understand why you might say this. But here's the natural progression: I came here initially writing about Iran's commercial assistance to Armenia (the energy sector); Armenian Genocide memorials in Iran; threats facing Armenian regarding the war and the Azerbaijan issues. I.e., straightforward and relatively non-controversial issues.

However, I found a tirade of abusive comments about Iranians - and a persistent pattern of filling up this thread and others with the same type of material. That's not up to me to correct -- quite honestly, that requires leadership from within the ranks of the Armenian community (an outsider can never fill that role). To the extent that any Armenian believes that an Iranian will simply put up with that (or continue to put up with that in my case) without saying something about it - is unrealistic.

In my opinion, those types of attitudes pose the biggest challenge to Iranian/Armenian relations. The best way to view how we got to where we are in this thread is to start at the time I first showed up and follow the comments to this post. If you study the posts carefully, you will get a clear picture of what's going on.

[Mukuch]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Prostitution can be mixed with every subject, if you haven't something else, relevant to the topic, to write. Iranian & Armenian prostitution related posts, can be discussed in a different thread - let say "Prostitution worldwide"; experts are welcomed. It is not the right area where nations should compete with each other. Although I think Russians may take competitive advantage in it. But I'm not an expert in the area and my guess could be wrong.

Any one asked for an expert opinion?

Well the global prostitution is a very larg topic... I would rather call this thread: "Iran,Prostitution and Armenia" or "Why Persopolis is so motivated on subject of "prostitution" ? "

[Lucin]

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I completely agree the impact is harder felt on Armenia than Iran - which is why Armenia should focus more on it. Hard to convince people to move to Yerevan when their daughters, mothers, and sisters face this risk.

What? Facing risk in Armenia? You must be kidding... First of all, generally nobody 'forces' you into prostitution (no matter where) second even if these "daughters, mothers and sisters face a risk" then there may be a problem with themselves in the first place. I have been to Armenia a few times, we have been hanging out till late at night in the streets with summer dresses not only I did not feel such a risk but rather a reassuring never-seen-before personal sense of security.

That is right, Iran does not consider Turkey an enemy.

As far as I know in the political world you generally do not scream out your enemies.. the case of Iran and Turkey is unique, they have always been and will always remain rivals and if I may say Turkey is a 'not declared' enemy for Iran.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

I would rather call this thread: "Iran,Prostitution and Armenia" or "Why Persopolis is so motivated on subject of "prostitution" ? "

The Doctor called - he said you need new glasses: Where were you several years ago when a wide variety of threads on this forum were about slandering Iran and totally unrelated to the subject matter of the threads, as in the quote below and the "Iranian prostitution videos"?

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No, teenage girls get married off as well, as I said see that video. There have been cases for younger girls to have been married off, all done legally or with a bribe to the Imam for him to bless the marriage. In our relations with them, we should just keep a mind of some of the human rights violations (e.g. stoning women or frequent hangings of people) that take place in Iran all under the influence of their Islamic integrated laws.

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What? Facing risk in Armenia? You must be kidding... First of all, generally nobody 'forces' you into prostitution (no matter where) second even if these "daughters, mothers and sisters face a risk" then there may be a problem with themselves in the first place. I have been to Armenia a few times, we have been hanging out till late at night in the streets with summer dresses not only I did not feel such a risk but rather a reassuring never-seen-before personal sense of security.

Lucin-jan, I won't argue with a lady. But I'll ask you 4 questions under the theory you wrote:

1. Under your best guess or information, are a fewer percentage of Armenian women in Iran involved in prostitution than women in Armenia?

2. If 50% women of marrying age face this risk in Armenia (as in the news story says) and the "problem was with themselves" and they weren't "forced" -- why would they have those problems in Armenia and not Iran?

3. If the problem is more in Armenia, is there a higher risk for Armenian women getting involved in something like that by moving to Armenia?

4. Lastly, do you think there is a higher chance that Armenian women moving to the U.S. will end up in prostitution than if they move to Iran? Why? or Why not?