Iranian-Armenian relations

[haysip]

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a "a feeling-out process" ??? since when does politics run on feelings LOL

[gegev]

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I pointed out that something like this could happen -- particularly given that I am Iranian and know that Iranians could change their views on Armenia in light of some of the views here that seem indicative of the views of other Armenians on a wider scale; these are the comments I got regarding my forecast:

Trust me - Iranians are not passive; If comments like Mos's are spreading over the internet by Armenians - Iranians will take a drastically different view of Armenia. Without intending to be impolite, Turkey would love nothing more than to convince Iran that Armenians are jerks.

Persopolis please remember that Turkey and Azeries are US puppets in Caucasus they never do things that are not approved privately by America, they just are not allowed to do so. Otherwise US may carry out the Wilson arbitration (which is enforceable at any point of time) ... they know it.

Remember that in 1945 if US didn’t threaten USSR with nuclear attack Turkey would have been wiped out of the world’s map. Since that time Turkey is the US official puppet with no right to argue with Americans.

In past Iran had strong support in Arabic/Muslim world, but now the Arab world itself is weak/unprotected and submerged in complete political-economic chaos. Thus given US-EU sanctions, Iran becomes much more isolated than ever before and needs to extend the number of their supporter countries among the treacherous-Muslim ones – Turkey and Azerbaijan which are representing solely American interests in the region. And Armenia is Iran’s only natural ally in this context.

Now America is in economic turmoil too and soon or later it will need to divert its citizens attention from their own economic problems and start a war in the name of protecting peoples “democratic” rights in Iran (or other country/ies; that have rich natural resources) to use the resources for feeding Americans, who are used living in comfort to prevent possible unrest in USA.

Now Iran is in search for possible supporters/allies against Americans and makes desperate attempts in changing Turkey and Azerbaijan’s American orientation and making them anti-American. I guess Turkey and Azerbaijan secretly promised Iran that they agree with the plan; remember that Turkey openly supports Iran’s nuclear program etc.

And remember Turkey (for centuries) and Azerbaijan (for decades) are countries engaged in liar/treacherous politics; declaring something and doing the opposite. Turkey becoming a “Communist country” fable promise given to Lenin is just a small episode.

Thus the only, natural ally or at least neutral country for Iran, in our region Caucasus, is Armenia.

Iran suspects that everything done in Turkey-Iran relations is suggested and approved by Americans in White House and Pentagon, but hopes that the “Muslim brotherhood” would prevail eventually. Alas my dear friend Persopolis ... Turkish politics ...

[Artsakh]

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I have read the press and Armenia and Georgia are not forming a military alliance. They have agreed to share more information and keep contacts. Armenia just signed a Russian basing, technical, and alliance agreement for 40 years with Russia. Armenia will not be used as a base for an attack on Iran. In fact, Armenia is being sanctioned by the US for having good relations with Iran.

I do realize how stupid it sounds. I was just being sarcastic for the purpose of getting a point across.

[Artsakh]

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1915 = Armenian Genocide.
2011 = Armenian Suicide.

P.S. I like Armenians - don't get me wrong. But I think some among you are your worst enemies.

* To Russia Armenia is 3 things: a military base; a highly indebted economic colony to be exploited by oligarchs; and a potential physical colony.
* To Turkey and Azerbaijan Armenia is a wall that needs to be knocked down so they can expand into the Caucuses and Central Asia as one unit.
* To Iran Armenia is former friend waking up from the the Soviet slumber and Iran is going through a feeling-out process to see if the same people it knew more than 200 years ago are there, or whether they've been replaced by a Russian 5th column.

Neither Israel nor the U.S. can do anything for Armenia, except try to take it over for themselves - which would start WWIII.

Hope the diagram helps you understand what is going on: I know what the results of this game will be in the Long Term:

You must be the first "Iranian" I have ever come across to take such a deep concern about Armenia, which raises some suspicions. In fact, if I were to bet, I'd bet you're either an Azeri, or if you are "Iranian", then a NON-muslim one. I'll let u figure out what that means urself.

Secondly, don't worry your little head, what is it to you anyway?

what I wrote wasn't serious regarding georgia armenia. I was speaking to an idiot (that's you) in his own language.

[Artsakh]

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Originally Posted by Artsakh
Such a scenario will NEVER play out. The interests of these countries will never coincide.

Yes, that's right. The long-term interests of Turkey and Iran will NEVER, EVER coincide. These two will always be regional competitors vying for regional dominance and influence. Are you telling me that isn't so?

[Persopolis]

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Russia is a strategically vulnerable state. The Moscow region has no geographic barriers to invasion. Russia needs to expand its borders to create the largest possible buffer zone, which requires forcibly incorporating legions of minorities who do not see themselves as Russian. By creating a strategic buffer Russia in fact creates a new chronic security problem in the form of new populations hostile to Moscow’s rule. This is why Moscow still operates like the KGB days (see e.g., Georgia).

In Russia fewer than half the number of babies were born in the 1990s than were born in the 1980s; while it has lost numerous of its satellite states in Asia and Europe. Russia's special forces are excellent - but the rank and file Russian army will sell their gear for a bottle of vodka.

1/7 of Russia is Muslim - mostly Turkic in orientation which poses a huge threat to Russia. In the long term Russia will experience a demographic time bomb - Turkey and Iran will not. Russia will face numerous separatist movements in the future and it will not be able to suppress them all. Russia has been the biggest loser in the last 30 years in terms of territory lost. Turkey has been #2 in gains. And Iran has been #1. Both Turkey and Russia need Iran -- Turkey = the USA/NATO. First the US (Turkey/Israel) tried regime change against Iran and Iran reversed the situation by causing the ouster of Mubarak in Egypt and ignited the Arab states -- now the U.S. is using Turkey to court Iran (= Plan B).

Now that the Soviet Union is gone, Turkey wants to expand East & North. It will go through Armenia; around Armenia (by way of Georgia); or try to deal with Iran. It may try all three options.

Russia is facing a clear series of threats in a very short time frame and Turkey wants to expand, and has the means -- in the Long Term Russia will be weak and vulnerable. Turkey needs Iran's influence in 50% Arab world and in Central Asia to overwhelm Russia. Russia needs Iran to counter that pressure.

Turkey and Russia will be start bumping heads in the next 50 years. Turkey will have to court Iran. Russia will have to court Iran. Either Turkey will win or Russia will win - but no matter what Iran will win. I should also note that China favors Iran over both Russia and Turkey (U.S.) -- Iran's interests are aligned with China's.

[gegev]

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Russia is a strategically vulnerable state. The Moscow region has no geographic barriers to invasion. Russia needs to expand its borders to create the largest possible buffer zone, which requires forcibly incorporating legions of minorities who do not see themselves as Russian. By creating a strategic buffer Russia in fact creates a new chronic security problem in the form of new populations hostile to Moscow’s rule. This is why Moscow still operates like the KGB days (see e.g., Georgia).

In Russia fewer than half the number of babies were born in the 1990s than were born in the 1980s; while it has lost numerous of its satellite states in Asia and Europe. Russia's special forces are excellent - but the rank and file Russian army will sell their gear for a bottle of vodka.

1/7 of Russia is Muslim - mostly Turkic in orientation which poses a huge threat to Russia. In the long term Russia will experience a demographic time bomb - Turkey and Iran will not. Russia will face numerous separatist movements in the future and it will not be able to suppress them all. Russia has been the biggest loser in the last 30 years in terms of territory lost. Turkey has been #2 in gains. And Iran has been #1. Both Turkey and Russia need Iran -- Turkey = the USA/NATO. First the US (Turkey/Israel) tried regime change against Iran and Iran reversed the situation by causing the ouster of Mubarak in Egypt and ignited the Arab states -- now the U.S. is using Turkey to court Iran (= Plan B).
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I agree that some pro-American regimes in Arab world are weakening, and Iran supporter countries increasing, but the economically devastated and unstable Arab countries are unable to support Iran as much as needed.

[Persopolis]

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I agree that some pro-American regimes in Arab world are weakening, and Iran supporter countries increasing, but the economically devastated and unstable Arab countries are unable to support Iran as much as needed.

On January 5, radical Shiite leader Muqtada al-Sadr entered Iraq after a three-year self-imposed exile in Iran, but then returned to Iran fifteen days later. According to Saudi-owned media outlets, he fled because of threats from Asaib Ahl al-Haqq (AAH), a militant offshoot of his own Sadrist movement. Whatever the reason for his departure, he remains a significant force in Iraq, where he is viewed by some as a political and military proxy of Iran. Southern Iraq = oil.

WASHINGTON — The United States has discovered nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan, far beyond any previously known reserves and enough to fundamentally alter the Afghan economy and perhaps the Afghan war itself, according to senior American government officials.

Afghanistan / Lebanon / So. Iraq / Syria = Iranian proxy armies. Kurdish leaders in Iraq = leaning towards Iran.

Scramble To Rescue Misrata Stranded
RIYADH, April 18, (Agencies): Gulf Arab states on Sunday called on the international community and UN Security Council to “make flagrant Iranian interference and provocations” in Gulf affairs cease after unrest in Bahrain.
Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) states, after a meeting in the Saudi capital Riyadh, called in a statement for “necessary measures” against the Islamic republic to prevent it from sowing regional discord. = Bye bye dirty Saudi coke snorting Sheiks that support Israel and who are on Washington's leash.

[gegev]

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On January 5, radical Shiite leader Muqtada al-Sadr entered Iraq after a three-year self-imposed exile in Iran, but then returned to Iran fifteen days later. According to Saudi-owned media outlets, he fled because of threats from Asaib Ahl al-Haqq (AAH), a militant offshoot of his own Sadrist movement. Whatever the reason for his departure, he remains a significant force in Iraq, where he is viewed by some as a political and military proxy of Iran. Southern Iraq = oil.

WASHINGTON — The United States has discovered nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan, far beyond any previously known reserves and enough to fundamentally alter the Afghan economy and perhaps the Afghan war itself, according to senior American government officials.

Afghanistan / Lebanon / So. Iraq / Syria = Iranian proxy armies. Kurdish leaders in Iraq = leaning towards Iran.

Scramble To Rescue Misrata Stranded
RIYADH, April 18, (Agencies): Gulf Arab states on Sunday called on the international community and UN Security Council to “make flagrant Iranian interference and provocations” in Gulf affairs cease after unrest in Bahrain.
Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) states, after a meeting in the Saudi capital Riyadh, called in a statement for “necessary measures” against the Islamic republic to prevent it from sowing regional discord. = Bye bye dirty Saudi coke snorting Sheiks that support Israel and who are on Washington's leash.

$1 trillion dollar doesn't help much against the $14 trillion state debt.

[Persopolis]

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$1 trillion dollar doesn't help much against the $14 trillion state debt.

Iran's external debt = $12.63 billion.
U.S. National Debt = $14 trillion.

How much longer do you think the U.S. can play GI Joe war games in the region? They're screwed. That money was incurred to effectively hand Iran control of Iraq and Afghanistan. The U.S. government is insane.

You know the U.S. is in deep trouble when they start making Nowruz greetings -- it seems that everyone participated except Ilham Aliyev.

Worth a Laugh: http://www.flickr.com/photos/szarnya...3855/lightbox/

PUTIN DECLARES JIHAD AGAINST THE GREAT SATAN

Putin: "The interest of Russian nation lies in a powerful and influential Iran in international scene and we have no doubt we will move in this direction. The Tehran-Moscow ties will expand without any limitation and we hope that this visit will open a new chapter in the two countries' relations."

http://www.payvand.com/news/07/oct/1163.html