Iranian-Armenian relations

[Artashes]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

also didn't say that when you speak of places in that area and say :there aren't many (Armenians) left it hurts. That place was 100 percent Armenian.
I sometimes think we have been ceaselessly attacked because of our prosperity for that whole region was extremely prosporouse land of Hay.
Artashes

Sorry retread and still not clear enough. Please tell me if you think I'm wrong . You think of you as a (? Parskahay) and others in this forum think of you in that same sense. I think of you as a man born in (the land of Hay) Armenia.
Artashes

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Iranians and Armenians have forgiven what has happened thousands years ago......to hold those grudges is to be an blind ultra nationalist ignore the centuries of good relations and sacrefices of patriots from both sides.

[Mos]

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Iranians and Armenians have forgiven what has happened thousands years ago......to hold those grudges is to be an blind ultra nationalist ignore the centuries of good relations and sacrefices of patriots from both sides.

We have too many enemies to have Iran as one. Iranians are natural allies to us in many ways. They are anti-Turkic and anti-Zionist. If anybody has experience with Persians on the internet (e.g. forums, youtube) you will notice they are consistent defenders of Armenians and Armenia more so than anybody else.

[Artashes]

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Iranians and Armenians have forgiven what has happened thousands years ago......to hold those grudges is to be an blind ultra nationalist ignore the centuries of good relations and sacrefices of patriots from both sides.

I cannot ignore the sacrifices that the patriots of Armenia have made.
I cannot ignore or minimalize the patriotic sacrifices made at Shat El Arab.
To hold a memory(a true one) is not the same as holding a grudge.
I regret my memory comes off as a grudge.
To any Persians that may read these posts of mine--- if you ever meet me you shall not get (any) animosity from me over those events. A respect and sincere cordialness is what you can expect from me.
When the bulk of Armenians were expelled that left all the outlying (not strategically important) communities surrounded and headless.
The Persians gave an ultimatum: drop all animosity and you will be treated with respect and allowed to stay
(and live). The Armenians accepted and did that with true sincerity and the Persians honored their word.
I was not part of that agreement. The bulk of Armenians had lost any input capability and had no say in that agreement. It was exclusively the decision of those Armenians that remained. As the Armenians that remained have sincerely honered that agreement and because the Persians have also honered it I sincerely honor it.
Forgiving by the Armenians does not mean forgetting the life and times.
About the Persians forgiving us I am confused. What do the Persians have to forgive us for?

[Artashes]

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About Russian and Pesian friendship.
The Russian backup that we are getting is the only reason we aren't getting rolled over or put in an untenable horror.
The only reason the Russians are showing us the amount of respect(not enough) that they are is because the USSR collapsed and they need us(we have to play that card to the hilt). The behind the scenes pressure they are putting on us is the same as with virtually all previouse dealings with them(their interests first and foremost). We cannot jeopardize this backup but we cannot get confused between the difference of geopolitical moves and true friendship.
The Persion political elite(the ones in control).
The first genocide of the 20th century was watched in broad daylight and went unacknowedged as it was happening and to this very day. That's why the Juice genocide was able to take place and all the others.
Only Israel made sure their atrocities were recognized. That has left the door wide open to pick and choose which crimes will be acknowledged according to political agendas and not based on truth and reality.
When the ruling Iranian dismisses the JG and then comes to us and acknowledges our genocide the credibility gap is to wide and needs taking into account.
It's unfortunate that we are compelled to play these games.
It is actually only Armenians who care about Armenians and our whole argument is based upon the truth(one of the few people's carrying the banner of truth on the face of this planet.
When it comes the ruling elite we cannot afford to be confused between true friendship and political convenience or necessity.
Artashes

[retro]

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Arran? Those are tatars(Russian) or Tartars(everyone else). A turco hominoid that first raped the hinterland of what is now Russia and then invaded Baku region. Hay was living on the shores of the Caspian for millennia before they came to murder and steal. Arran is not the name of them but a stolen and transformed word(like they change Erivan).
Artshes

What sources do you have that support a Armenia presence on the banks of the Caspian? I would of thought that most of your ancient ancestors would of been closer to people like the Assyrians.

Russian Tatars are nothing like Azeris and they aren't all clones (at least yet). The Burglars seemingly arose in Caucasian (Huns) and Western Turkic tribes have seemingly been in the region for sometime. It's the Hunnic tribes, Siberians and assorted Central Asians, that gave rise to the Turkics. A lot of Turkics are former Persians and in very ancient times not all Eurasiatic Indo-Europeans where necessarily Caucasians types.

Southern nomadic Turko-Persians like the Qashqai are quite close to the Azeris, Kurds and Balochis. The Qashqai are of Turkic extraction. However they haven't been Orcs for 800 years and they are clearly Turko-Persians (Iranians) at this point. Yet the pan-Turkic clowns still try to claim them.

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

pan turks should just go back to central asia, Altaic mountains, that's their real homeland

[retro]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

pan turks should just go back to central asia, Altaic mountains, that's their real homeland

The local Orcs would stew them in a big pot along with some horse meat and a few apples.

Maybe the Azeris, Turks, Kurds and their Israeli overlords are dreaming about the annexation of Western Iran. However I doubt the west is in any mood to open up a front with 200 million Shia.

The problem with Iran is that China dominates it's trade and by developing the bomb they risk igniting a regional arms race. Other than that it's a stable nation. Which is good deal more than can be said for the Arabs or South Asians.

[Artashes]

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What sources do you have that support a Armenia presence on the banks of the Caspian? I would of thought that most of your ancient ancestors would of been closer to people like the Assyrians.

Russian Tatars are nothing like Azeris and they aren't all clones (at least yet). The Burglars seemingly arose in Caucasian (Huns) and Western Turkic tribes have seemingly been in the region for sometime. It's the Hunnic tribes, Siberians and assorted Central Asians, that gave rise to the Turkics. A lot of Turkics are former Persians and in very ancient times not all Eurasiatic Indo-Europeans where necessarily Caucasians types.

Southern nomadic Turko-Persians like the Qashqai are quite close to the Azeris, Kurds and Balochis. The Qashqai are of Turkic extraction. However they haven't been Orcs for 800 years and they are clearly Turko-Persians (Iranians) at this point. Yet the pan-Turkic clowns still try to claim them.

Wrote many words, went to submit and computer said : message to short. Will try again after anger subsides.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

What sources do you have that support a Armenia presence on the banks of the Caspian? I would of thought that most of your ancient ancestors would of been closer to people like the Assyrians.

Russian Tatars are nothing like Azeris and they aren't all clones (at least yet). The Burglars seemingly arose in Caucasian (Huns) and Western Turkic tribes have seemingly been in the region for sometime. It's the Hunnic tribes, Siberians and assorted Central Asians, that gave rise to the Turkics. A lot of Turkics are former Persians and in very ancient times not all Eurasiatic Indo-Europeans where necessarily Caucasians types.

Southern nomadic Turko-Persians like the Qashqai are quite close to the Azeris, Kurds and Balochis. The Qashqai are of Turkic extraction. However they haven't been Orcs for 800 years and they are clearly Turko-Persians (Iranians) at this point. Yet the pan-Turkic clowns still try to claim them.

I called the last two remaining Elders, my 90 year old uncle(father) said he didn't know and my 89 year old aunt (mothers sister) was sleeping.
I will wait for return call and tell what she has to say.
All four Grandparents have departed so all original information...
You have asked me(an Armenian) to show proof that my family has ever lived in the watershed of the
Highlands of Armenia(Hay) since time I memorable.
I'm an Armenian, apparently I can't even prove that most of my family was brutally murdered 95 years ago . All the research I have attempted comes up with the identical phrase: the ancient kingdom of Armenia
Stretched from the Caspian sea to the Mediteranian sea.
I have more searching to do and many leads.however their are many (leads) as to what happened to the Armenian soldiers/fathers/uncles/husbands/... And yet in the eyes of this world(not Armenian eyes) it can't be proven what happened. So...
I heard of a man one time and his name was two genes.
I asked how he got the name. I was told because he came from his mothers genes and his fathers genes
He was named 2 genes(2 yenes).
He said: It is better to be the oppressed than the oppressor.
I say: It is better to be judged that your land was stolen than to be judged that you are in possession of stolen land.
Artashes