Iranian-Armenian relations

[Artashes]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

What sources do you have that support a Armenia presence on the banks of the Caspian? I would of thought that most of your ancient ancestors would of been closer to people like the Assyrians.

Russian Tatars are nothing like Azeris and they aren't all clones (at least yet). The Burglars seemingly arose in Caucasian (Huns) and Western Turkic tribes have seemingly been in the region for sometime. It's the Hunnic tribes, Siberians and assorted Central Asians, that gave rise to the Turkics. A lot of Turkics are former Persians and in very ancient times not all Eurasiatic Indo-Europeans where necessarily Caucasians types.

Southern nomadic Turko-Persians like the Qashqai are quite close to the Azeris, Kurds and Balochis. The Qashqai are of Turkic extraction. However they haven't been Orcs for 800 years and they are clearly Turko-Persians (Iranians) at this point. Yet the pan-Turkic clowns still try to claim them.

The part where you say: Russian are nothing like the azeris.
Do mean : baboon baku or Azaris that are of the Persian presense?
When the turco hominoids raped and murdered in the hinterland of what is now called Russia many of the terrified women bore what appeared to be children(really proto baboons). So some of the ugliness was
changed to a more human appearance . It was those that are in baku now.
The Azary from the Persian presense is not related as far as I can tell.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

What sources do you have that support a Armenia presence on the banks of the Caspian? I would of thought that most of your ancient ancestors would of been closer to people like the Assyrians.

Russian Tatars are nothing like Azeris and they aren't all clones (at least yet). The Burglars seemingly arose in Caucasian (Huns) and Western Turkic tribes have seemingly been in the region for sometime. It's the Hunnic tribes, Siberians and assorted Central Asians, that gave rise to the Turkics. A lot of Turkics are former Persians and in very ancient times not all Eurasiatic Indo-Europeans where necessarily Caucasians types.

Southern nomadic Turko-Persians like the Qashqai are quite close to the Azeris, Kurds and Balochis. The Qashqai are of Turkic extraction. However they haven't been Orcs for 800 years and they are clearly Turko-Persians (Iranians) at this point. Yet the pan-Turkic clowns still try to claim them.

When the waters subsided the waters of the Caspian rested against the mountains of Armenia. My family has benn ling upon those shores since that time.
We actually are the indigenes people from their.
All who are round about found us(Hay) their when they got their.
Artashes

[Artashes]

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Don't think this is the right time frame but---
When Marco Polo passes through Armenia we were using a naturally occurring oil for our lanterns etc.
Does anyone know where we were getting this?
Artashes

[bell-the-cat]

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I called the last two remaining Elders, my 90 year old uncle(father) said he didn't know and my 89 year old aunt (mothers sister) was sleeping.
I will wait for return call and tell what she has to say.

That just says so much.

Most people, when faced with a historical question they don't know the answer to will try to consult books, academic studies, maybe even contact an expert in the field. But not Armenians it seems - they just phone their aged relatives. And those aged relatives, when, in their youth, were asked a historical question they didn't know the answer to, did not try to consult books, academic studies, or even contact an expert in the field, but just asked their aged relatives - and so on, back through the generations. In this way the bliss of happy ignorance is preserved intact through time.

Must remember your "when the waters subsided" comment though - that one is world class for stupidity.

[Artashes]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

That just says so much.

Most people, when faced with a historical question they don't know the answer to will try to consult books, academic studies, maybe even contact an expert in the field. But not Armenians it seems - they just phone their aged relatives. And those aged relatives, when, in their youth, were asked a historical question they didn't know the answer to, did not try to consult books, academic studies, or even contact an expert in the field, but just asked their aged relatives - and so on, back through the generations. In this way the bliss of happy ignorance is preserved intact through time.

Must remember your "when the waters subsided" comment though - that one is world class for stupidity.

Oh contrary puss. You don't know most people so your comment is common stupidly for your assumption to speak for (most)people. However in fact I have been and am attempting to consult scholarly sources as well as seeking the input of the indigenous (Armenian) people's memory.
Unlike the refusal to accept and acknowledge the Armenians words as to the atrocities that took place circa late 1800/ early 1900 but only accept foreigners reports I do give credibility to my ancient family.
They are both intelligent and honest and have memories that you who are new to balancing on your hind legs don't possess.
The geological evidence for the bloated Caspian as well as Black sea(not to mention other waters) is abundant and irrefutable.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

[QUOTE=retro;329947]What sources do you have that support a Armenia presence on the banks of the Caspian? I would of thought that most of your ancient ancestors would of been closer to people like the Assyrians.

Russian Tatars are nothing like Azeris and they aren't all clones (at least yet). The Burglars seemingly arose in Caucasian (Huns) and Western Turkic tribes have seemingly been in the region for sometime. It's the Hunnic tribes, Siberians and assorted Central Asians, that gave rise to the Turkics. A lot of Turkics are former Persians and in very ancient times not all Eurasiatic Indo-Europeans where necessarily Caucasians types.

Southern nomadic Turko-Persians like the Qashqai are quite close to the Azeris, Kurds and Balochis. The Qashqai are of Turkic extraction. However they haven't been Orcs for 800 years and they are clearly Turko-Persians (Iranians) at this point. Yet the pan-Turkic clowns still try to claim them.

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Small amount of research so far yields this: Barry Lawrence Ruderman/ old maps--- old(for them)Roman
Map showing Armenia on the Caspian sea between ? Qabolo? And Sassanidereich.
Church in Kish(who do you think built that?) and church's in Artsak--- notice any similarities?
Although I'm actually talking about a much earlier time even at this late date or presence should be obvious.
A place now called ? Oguz ? used to be called Vartashen. Honk that may have been an Armenian word at some previous time? All this is easy to find but needs to go back in time to see us more clearly.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

That just says so much.

Most people, when faced with a historical question they don't know the answer to will try to consult books, academic studies, maybe even contact an expert in the field. But not Armenians it seems - they just phone their aged relatives. And those aged relatives, when, in their youth, were asked a historical question they didn't know the answer to, did not try to consult books, academic studies, or even contact an expert in the field, but just asked their aged relatives - and so on, back through the generations. In this way the bliss of happy ignorance is preserved intact through time.

Must remember your "when the waters subsided" comment though - that one is world class for stupidity.

The constant invasions that my country has been subjected to with the accompanying distruction of buildings waterworks and vast amounts of writings along with Mesrobs distructons of all ancient rememberences has left my family with only memorys (ours and others).
Coupled with the extreme trauma and heartbreak that Hay has been by all the (wonderful) people that found out where we were living I can see in your words the heart of a stranger.
Artashes

[Artashes]

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Inch ?

One time when I was a child I asked my grandfather what ( inch ) meant? They did not teach us ( personal reasons) Armenian, but the spoke it all the time. So my grandfather teased me and told me ( inch ) meant meant one inch as in 12 inches to the foot. Your comment reminded me of a childhood memory of my grandfather playing with me. Thank you.
Artashes

[Artashes]

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Sorry, cannot figure out(yet)how to cancel this and unable to take a page from somewhere else and put it in reply to post.
Artashes

[Artashes]

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Not all the people in Northern Iran are brainwashed, majority of them know the true history of the newly formed republic of azerbaijan.
Iranian Azeri historian and expert on Persian history Dr. Kaveh Farrokh wrote: PAN-TURANIANISM TAKES AIM AT AZERBAIJAN:
A Geopolitical Agenda

http://www.rozanehmagazine.com/NoveDec05/aazariINDEX.HTML

You guys should give it a read. He talks about how Stalin created azerbaijan because he wanted to claim Northern Iran quoting Vasily Bartold, Russian historian and Turcologist:


He talks about how Stalin referred to famous Iranian poets and artists as famous azeris, etc.

Text: History of the land of "Aghvak" attributed to two Armenian author: Movses Kaghankatvatsu and
Movses Daskhurantsi.
The text written in old Armenian, in essenance represents the history of Armenias provinces of Artsakh and Utik.
Kaghankatvatsi , repeating Korenatsi mentions the very name"Aghavank"/"Albania" is of Armenian origin and relates it to the Armenian word" Aghu". Korenatsi states that "Aghu" was a nickname given to
Prince Arran, who the Armenian King Vagharshak 1 appointed as governor of northeastern provinces bordering on Armenia. According toa legendary tradition reported by Korenatsi , Arran was a descendant of Sisak, the ancestor of Siunids, of Armenias province of Syunik, descendant of Haig.