Iranian-Armenian relations

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Hilarious ... barking dogs don't bite.
The reality is that you are positioning yourselves (with your attitude) for failure.

No it's simple politics. You reward the countries that do you good, and you punish the countries that wrong you.

[haysip]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

If anyone here is a guest, it is YOU who are the guest! You are someone with 396 posts shouting at someone with 608 posts. And, speaking as someone with 2,700 or so posts, and who has seen quite a lot like you come and go over the years, your shouting registers barely as a squeak.

his 1 post is worth more than ur 2700 posts

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

So I'm wondering who this guy really is? Perhaps he is an azerbaboon wanabe posing as a Persian? That is the only thing that makes sense, this guy is not barsig, he is probably an azerbaboon.

And here we have yet another squeaker - this one with only 58 posts - but still he thinks he owns the place, making statements about who should be here and who should not!

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Don't forget you're a guest here, and don't forget where your limits are.

If anyone here is a guest, it is YOU who are the guest! You are someone with 396 posts shouting at someone with 608 posts. And, speaking as someone with 2,700 or so posts, and who has seen quite a lot like you come and go over the years, your shouting registers barely as a squeak.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Trust me, Iran makes a wrong move to Armenia, they will face that fate.

Hilarious ... barking dogs don't bite.
The reality is that you are positioning yourselves (with your attitude) for failure.

[haysip]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

the people that know history will know that Cilicia(lesser Armenia) originated from the Armenian Kingdom of Mittani

[haysip]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

the Stan suffix is used on many countries. for example we call Greece - HunaStan, China - ChinaStan, India - HndkAstan, Russia - RusaStan... does that mean all those countries originated from persia hahaha

[haysip]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

" and lets not forget that when Alexader the great attacked persia, alot of the soldiers in the persian army were Armenians. at the end of the war, persians lost and ran away but the Armenian soldiers were fighting till the end. this is the reason why alexader the great didn't attack Armenia" Artak Movsisyan

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

GREATER ARMENIA

Let's get a few facts straight.

1. The orange part of your Map stating "Greater Armenia" was land held by an Iranian tribe that founded the Arsacid Empire (Modern Persian: اشکانیان Ashkāniān). The Iranian-Arsacid map of "Greater Armenia" was land 100% controlled by Iranian rulers. "Greater Armenia" is Iranian-Armenia. Perso-Armenia (Eastern Armenia) was Arsacid inhabited land.

2. The Arsacid (ethnic Iranian-Armenians) came from Khorason Iran - North West Iran (NOT the Caucuses). They created and populated Perso-Armenia (a/k/a Eastern Armenia / Arsacid-Armenia / Perso-Armenia).

This is Khorason - original home of the Arascids:


3. The Iranian-Arsacids (Armenians) founded the Armenian-Arascid Ostan (Province) of Iran as they expanded their feudal territory. (The word "stan" is a Persian suffix meaning "province of Iran." Hayastan.)

GREATER ARMENIA = IRANIAN-ARSACID-ARMENIA


4. This is what an Iranian-Arsacid-Armenian looks like: see photos below. The less you look like this guy, the less indigenous you likely are to modern day Armenia (Perso-Armenia / Arsacid-Armenia). Some Iranian-Armenians (for whatever reason) have developed sensitivites because when they move or travel to Armenia and get mistaken for *looking* Iranian -- the fact is they are Iranian. And the fact is that they are likely more Armenian than the people subjecting them to such unflattering cheap-shots though they rarely seem to defend themselves.

Iranian-Arsacid-Armenians (Founders of "Greater Armenia" and Inhabitants of Perso-Armenia = Eastern Armenia)


5. The Sasanian-Persians and the Iranian-Arsacid got into a feudal turf war - this was an Intra-Iranian battle. It was not "Armenians" vs. "Persians" the way a handful of snotty mixed Russian kids with little connection to Armenian land and history want to portray it. To solidify their base, the Iranian-Arsacid coverted to Christianity to attempt to form alliances outside of Iran. However, the Sasanians won, but the Arsacid kept their new faith.

What did the Sasanian vs. Arsacid dispute look like?
Let me simplify it for you: The rift between the Iranian-Arsacid-Armenians and the Sasanians would have been something like Katchatoorian (Iranian-Arsacid) getting into a feudal power struggle with Larijani (Persian-Sasanian):


Larijani at right:


To complicate matters some Armenians are Sasanians -- look for an Armenian e.g. that has the name Sasounian or Sasanian.

the Stan suffix is used on many countries.

The earliest attestations of the exonym Armenia date around the 6th century BC. In his trilingual Behistun Inscription, Darius I the Great of Persia refers to Urashtu (in Babylonian) as Armina (in Old Persian) and Harminuya (in Elamite).

Xenophon of Athens, was a Greek historian, soldier, mercenary, and a contemporary and admirer of Socrates. He is known for documenting history. Xenophon describes many aspects of Armenian village life and hospitality. He relates that the people spoke a language that to his ear sounded like the language of the Persians. (Xenophon, Anabasis, IV.v.2-9.) Remember languages evolved and changed - Armenian alphabet came hundreds of years after the birth of Jesus.
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The Map Below Has Nothing to Do with What I wrote Above:

All you have done is reproduce another source of the Armenian population that was largely assimilated and later genocided in 1915. You are completely confusing what I have written. I don't doubt that there were also Armenians that lived in the West; I am pointing out the origins of Greater Armenia and Perso-Armenia. Armenians today live in Perso-Armenia, not in any of the places in your map below:

And I am not that impressed by a home-made map.

[haysip]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

i am not sure where u got the map of Urartu from cuz i just entered Urartu in google images and this is the first result