Iranian-Armenian relations

[Mukuch]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Our new Supreme Leader thanks you ....

Dont see much of "new"

[Lucin]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

No. But Iranians are less shy about putting divisive or unpatriotic Iranians in their place. http://jahanshahjavid.blogspot.com/

Maybe. But in the current social/political atmosphere in Iran, the patriotic ones are being ridiculed and put down... to the point where the society is almost divided into two, I won't go into further details as you know what I'm talking about.

- If those ideas get a strong footing among the people in Yerevan, Iranian tourists that experience that behavior are never coming back. That sentiment will trickle all the way up to the government level in Iran, and then someone in the Iranian government will say: "If Yerevan ridicules Iranians/Muslims..." then => "Maybe Aliyev is not such a bad guy" or "Let's turn Vank cathedral into Hezbollah's new headquarters" or "Of course Azerbaijan can use the Iranian corridor for attacking Yerevan." I'm doing Armenians a favor by pointing this out: "Stupid-is-as-stupid-does," as they say, Lucian-jan. The Iranian-Armenian community should contact Yerevan and let them know they need to fix the Armenian educational system ASAP (throw out Stalin's old text books) and make bolstering the Iranian/Armenian relationship a top priority. You'd be surprised at how many times I've had to explain to people on this forum that Russia gave Armenia's lands to Turkey - not Iran; you'd be surprised at how many times I've had to explain to Armenians that Armenians are part of the larger Iranian community and have been for centuries. You'd be surprised at how many times I've had to point out that Iran let Armenian's fleeing the AG into Iran and stopped the Ottomans at the border.

"Yerevan ridiculing Iranians"? Why do you always take a few people's opinion and swing to the extreme? It' never been and will never be the way you describe. The overall sentiment of Armenians towards Iranians have always been positive and vice-versa. It has been so because our relations are natural..
And most Armenians know about their history and are conscious of the urgency and significance of Iran-Armenia as well as Russia-Armenia relations. There are some who are more oriented towards Europe and America, but are not as loud..

And how do I act that so disturbs you?

Mos, I have nothing against you. I'm just surprised how you turned 180 degrees.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

"Yerevan ridiculing Iranians"? Why do you always take a few people's opinion and swing to the extreme? It' never been and will never be the way you describe.

Your answer is in the quote below - let's assume he's right and let's suppose the Armenian community writes it off as "a few people's opinions" while word starts circulating around Iran OR word start circulating among a limited number of Iranians holding government positions (e.g., running economic ministries or military officers ....)
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Apparently you haven't roamed the villages of Armenia that much. There's good amount of Islamophobia....

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"....The overall sentiment of Armenians towards Iranians have always been positive and vice-versa.

Would you go on Iranian TV, show the picture below and say "I'm an Iranian-Armenian, my name is Lucin, I hope this improves our relations?" Good luck with that Lucin.

Maybe he kissed her!

Did you see what Aliyev & the CIA did in Tabriz with the publication of 1 cartoon?
Just take the asterisk ("*") out of the link to watch: http://w*ww.youtube.com/watch?v=iwxqNxKutoo

[Mukuch]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

"Would you go on Iranian TV, show the picture below and say "I'm an Iranian-Armenian, my name is Lucin, I hope this improves our relations?" Good luck with that Lucin. "

No, she will get stoned (most civilized way of modern execution) )))

[KanadaHye]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

"Would you go on Iranian TV, show the picture below and say "I'm an Iranian-Armenian, my name is Lucin, I hope this improves our relations?" Good luck with that Lucin. "

No, she will get stowned (most civilized way of modern execution) )))

Maybe. But that will guarantee that nobody else will attempt it in the future. If you don't want to be made an example of, don't do the crime. Whereas in other states, people just "have accidents" or become "terminally ill" until there are no more problems left. People who abide by laws don't need to worry about these things. Also remember that it only takes one extremist party to take over a country in order to bring traditional laws such as stoning back from the grave. Although it might not be practiced today in Israel, stoning is also mentioned in the Torah.

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Mos, I have nothing against you. I'm just surprised how you turned 180 degrees.

But I haven't turned 180 degrees.

Your answer is in the quote below - let's assume he's right and let's suppose the Armenian community writes it off as "a few people's opinions" while word starts circulating around Iran OR word start circulating among a limited number of Iranians holding government positions (e.g., running economic ministries or military officers ....)
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Hey, don't kill the messenger. I'm just telling what people are thinking and saying. Though I believe the Islamophobia is more connected to Turkey and Azerbaijan than Iran.

[Mukuch]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Maybe. But that will guarantee that nobody else will attempt it in the future. If you don't want to be made an example of, don't do the crime. Whereas in other states, people just "have accidents" or become "terminally ill" until there are no more problems left. People who abide by laws don't need to worry about these things. Also remember that it only takes one extremist party to take over a country in order to bring traditional laws such as stoning back from the grave. Although it might not be practiced today in Israel, stoning is also mentioned in the Torah.

Take it easy, stoning is mentioned fierst of all in Bible.... but it was 2000 years ago... and sins when expressing diferent opinion is a crime?

[Federate]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

"Would you go on Iranian TV, show the picture below and say "I'm an Iranian-Armenian, my name is Lucin, I hope this improves our relations?" Good luck with that Lucin. "

No, she will get stoned (most civilized way of modern execution) )))

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#Iran

In Iran, stoning as a punishment did not exist until 1983, when the contemporary Islamic penal code was ratified. Many Muslim jurists in Iran are of the opinion that although stoning can be considered Islamic, the criteria under which it can be imposed as a sentence are stringent; because of the large burden of proof needed to reach a guilty sentence of adultery, its penalty is hardly ever applicable. However many sentences of stoning have been made instead on the basis of the "knowledge of the judge".

Following vociferous domestic and international controversy and outcry over stoning in the early years of the Islamic republic, the government announced a moratorium on stoning in 2002. In January 2005, the Iranian judiciary spokesman Jamal Karimirad was quoted as saying "Stoning has been dropped from the penal code for a long time, and in the Islamic republic, we do not see such punishments being carried out", further adding that if stoning sentences were passed by lower courts, they were over-ruled by higher courts and "no such verdicts have been carried out." Nevertheless, stonings were reported in 2006 (a man and a woman, not officially confirmed), 2007 (a man), 2008 (three men, one unsuccessfully) and 2009 (a man). In 2010, a woman Sakineh Ashtiani had her stoning sentence suspended after an international campaign.

In 2008, judiciary spokesman Ali Reza Jamshidi said that stoning would be removed from the penal code in new legislation. A draft revision of the law without stoning was prepared by the Judicial and Legal Commission of the Majlis by mid-2009, though commentators were in disagreement over whether it would make stoning impossible.

Take it easy, stoning is mentioned fierst of all in Bible.... but it was 2000 years ago... and sins when expressing diferent opinion is a crime?

The Torah is the first five books of the Old Testament lol.

[Lucin]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Your answer is in the quote below - let's assume he's right and let's suppose the Armenian community writes it off as "a few people's opinions" while word starts circulating around Iran OR word start circulating among a limited number of Iranians holding government positions (e.g., running economic ministries or military officers ....)

Sorry I had missed that one. What did you expect, it comes from Mos... but seriously you know that it’s a big lie... I have visited a lot of villages in Armenia, I have nowhere seen such sentiments. The village Mos is talking about is somewhere in his head. On the other hand, we must admit that there are Iranians not so well-educated who still consider Christians as 'kafar'. So it exists on both sides.

Apparently you haven't roamed the villages of Armenia that much. There's good amount of Islamophobia....

El herika anhamutyun@ zzvetsink... they taught you in America it's classy to be islamophobic?

No, she will get stoned (most civilized way of modern execution)

I wouldn't get stoned. But look what's happening right now in Armenia around the hraparak area, some have taken to the streets because there is music, dance and a clown called LTP 'singing' for them. As few as the may be, it destabilizes the country. Such things never happen in Iran for instance on a regular basis. The slightest attempt is stopped right away. So I'm shocked to see people who can roam easily in the streets whenever they feel it.

[Mukuch]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

El herika anhamutyun@ zzvatsink... they taught you in America its classy to be islamophobic?


I wouldn't get stoned. But look what's happening right now in Armenia, some have taken to the streets because there is music, dance and a clown called LTP 'singing' for them. As few as the may be, it destabilizes the country. Such things never happen in Iran for instance on a regular basis. Actually I'm shocked.

Who said I am islamophobic? (by the way never in my life have been in America I just don’t like totalitarian or semi-totalitarian regimes..... And o yes you would get stoned for what Persopolis offered you do And YES things that happen in Iran are much worse than what sometimes happens in Armenia. Many people do not agree with Islamic regime and they naturally protest.